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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | What should be done with captive orcas? I've been hearing a lot about the American news heavily featuring the recent death of a killer whale trainer. I think this story does a good job of exploring the different issues: Quote:
Personally, I'm rather partial to the idea that we keep trying to help whales return to their natural habitat. Not to mention that we should just stop capturing them... That's what I think. What do you guys think? __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: May 2001
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| I rather enjoy Sea World and places of the sort but what once used to be a means to educate people about sea animals and sorts has possibly gotten out of hand. But what keeps Sea World in business is that when you go there, people are intrigued by what they see. I mean, how many times are you going to see killer whales, penguins or polar bears? So this sort of thing will continue to go on. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised with the terrible incident that happened the other day with that trainer that another team of people aren't coming up with ideas to make an "even better" and "much safer" park than Sea World. But in response to your question, I wish they weren't locked up in tanks either. Nothing can replace being in the sea, in my opinion. __________________ Phoebe (singing): Happy Hanukkah, Monica. May your Christmas be snowy, Joey. Happy New Year, Chandler and Ross. Spin the dreidel, Rachel! Have a happy holiday & prosperous new year! ![]() | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Well, it is starting up again: Quote:
It seems the general consensus that the whale isn't necessarily to blame for the trainer's death. And I tend to agree with that. It was just doing what it was built to do. No amount of training can rob an animal of all of its instincts and, you know, what is just fun playing around to a whale weighing several tons is quite different to the tiny human swimming besides it. Mostly, though, I think there's a difference between whales and penguins, and even between whales and polar bears. Some animals bear captivity better than others. I don't know if it's because whales are so much bigger than penguins and polar bears, but it just doesn't seem right to keep them in tiny little enclosures like that. And, let's face it, if a penguin loses it and turns on a minder, the consequences are bound to be a little less dramatic. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 2008
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| I know this is kinda old but I just saw this thread ![]() I don't understand the appeal of orcas. Personally, I'm quite terrified of them. Why some people find them cute, I'll never know. To put yourself outside of your element, where they move better (water) is nonsense enough, not to mention they're probably the largest predator alive. They are huge, people. What on earth are the trainers thinking? This is a huge carnivore. In the wild, their territories are tremendously big. And, it's a highly social animal. Take all of that away and put them in a small pool. It's like if you were suddenly trapped in a small closet for the rest of your life. Of course this kind of thing happens. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. __________________ | |||
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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jun 2003
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| I think there should be an international law forbidding the capture of whales. That said, I saw Keiko a few times as a kid before the Free Willy movies even aired and I grew attached to him, so I followed the news about his journey to the wild and was horrified to read so many things that happened to him. He could never form a true bond with members of his species and was attaked on occasions by wild orcas that never accepted him. He was desperate for human contact and once he found people in Norway he tried to be as close to them as possible. He loved children and suffered depressions for being away from the environment he grew up in. He died at 27 from pneumonia when the average time of death for his species is around 35. That's why I don't believe in releasing the orcas that have been held captive for long periods of time. I don't believe they will adapt to their new living circumstances and releasing them to the wild when they have been stripped from their natural instincts is a brutal thing to do. The man needs to learn he is not God, these animals are not dogs, they are meant to live in the ocean but we can't just pretend we have the power to take them and then give them back. I say, let's just stop their capture completely and make sure that those that have spent a long time in captivity can mantain a long and happy life there without being paraded as if they were part of a circus. __________________ | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I agree that releasing orcas that have been domesticated is just as problematic as capturing them to entertain the masses. It feels like violating the natural order and then having the animal pay the price for that, when it's really not its fault. The only reason I would hesitate to outright ban the "capture" of wild whales is in cases where they face extinction. Because, let's face it, most animal species out there who face extinction do so because of human action, indirect or otherwise. Where that is the case, it feels light we ought to take responsibility for our actions and seek to remedy the situation as best we can. Though, again, I seem to contradict myself. Because any rectification done in a controlled environment would lead to domesticated animals, which could hardly be safely released into the wild thereafter... I have no answers. Bleh. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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