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| Passionate Fan  Joined: Mar 2000
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| Washington State Governor election mess Anyone following this matter? Personally this impacts me much more than florida, as this is in my backyard. This thing is just so crazy right now. The voting process is usually pretty sound, however, when you have a margin of victory that is so close like it is here..alot of mistakes can lead to a different outcome. They are talking about a revote in washington. __________________ This space for rent. | |||
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| A revote won't happen. Gregoire will be governor. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| I hope there isn't a revote. When Rossi won the initial recount there was no call for a revote by the Republicans so why now? Hopefully Gregoire is inaugurated this week. __________________ The Committee To Re-elect President Obama: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul | |||
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Because as the recount process went on...numerous reports of mistakes/errors started to pop up. The process is just fine when you win by a large margin, when the margin of victory is this small, and the margin of error is this large, a revote is the only fair way to solve things. I am sure that both of you will agree that if there are numerous mistakes, that it should be looked into and challenged in court (which is what is happening). The margin of victory (129), is far less than the margin of error, so you can see that there is a problem here. And I believe that Milt brought up the red flags in Ohio, where bush won by more than 5 percent...and you want to look into Ohio's mess. But Gregoire won by less than .002 percent, and you just want to waive it off and make Gregoire the governer. Oh the hypocricy. __________________ This space for rent. Last edited by SuperDeluxe; 01-11-2005 at 08:09 AM. | |||
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| There is 100 times more evidence of fraud in Ohio that there is in Washington. The only thing I've heard about Washington is that some military ballots weren't received in time. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Passionate Fan Joined: Mar 2000
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This might be true, but the margin of error in Ohio is less than the margin of victory. Lets look at some of the evidence: Dead people voting Felons who voted 1200 more ballots than people who voted (after the reclaimation) Provisional ballots being mixed with regular ballots, without verification. As you can see the margin of error..is GREATER than the margin of victory. Hence the need for a court challenge. __________________ This space for rent. | |||
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| Can former felons legally vote in Washington? In many states they can. And remember, they did 3 recounts. The last full hand recount had Gregoire as the winner by 129. It will be hard to contest. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| But then why didn't Rossi ask for a revote after the first recount? He only won by 40 or 60 votes IIRC. Weren't there questions about ballots then? 'Oh the hypocrisy' fits here as well. He tells Gregoire to concede when he has a slimmer margin of victory but when he loses in the next recount there has to be a revote. For goodness sakes there were legitimate questions about votes in Florida in 2000 and in Ohio this year and all we heard from the Republican establishment was 'to get over it.' I do think there is a serious problem with the voting process in this country and in a small way I'm glad that a Republican candidate has lost a close race. Maybe now both sides will be more willing to take a look at the problem. __________________ The Committee To Re-elect President Obama: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul | |||
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I dont believe that they can. Yes I remember they did 3 recounts, and thats how the problems started to pop up. How can it be hard to contest when the margin of error is larger than the margin of victory? __________________ This space for rent. | |||
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After the first recount? No there was no where near the amount of problems with the election process and the ballots. So your 'oh the hypocrisy' does not fit on that matter. but the matter about Rossi asking Gregoire to concede, then Rossi contesting the election, I will agree that is hypocritical. But Hypocricy goes both ways, will you acknowledge that? (gregoire asked rossi to concede, after she did not concede when Rossi asked) Again no matter how hard some people try to spin this. Margin of Error larger than Margin of victory. That is the main problem. FYI. Washington is clearly a liberal state, and a majority of Washingtonians want a revote, which means, yes, that many dems want a recount as well. Imagine that..bipartiasin fairness. __________________ This space for rent. | |||
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Wasn't this a problem after the second recount which Rossi won be less than 50 votes? Why didn't he and the Republicans ask for a revote? If you can't answer that then can point me to where that question has been answered? I just want to know why the Republicans considered Rossi Governor with the second recount but don't consider Gregoire the winner now. Quote:
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Should there be a revote? 59% yes 38% no Who won the election? 56% Rossi 35% Gregoire Should Rossi concede? 36% yes 53% no __________________ This space for rent. | ||||
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__________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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I saw him on tv and he was basically telling Gregoire to deal with it and concede. Quote:
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From what I've read people are split down the middle and this is only one survey. Methods differ in survey taking and how the figures are read. __________________ The Committee To Re-elect President Obama: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul | ||||
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That didnt come into play Until the Hand recount __________________ This space for rent. | |||
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