News & Politics - US Preparing for Military Draft in 2005 - Page 3

ceilirose · 04-11-2004, 05:45 AM

There actually is a Congressman's son who is either serving in Iraq or did so in the last year. As far as I know that is the only example.

I remember the last draft and there's no way it could ever be fair. Money and power talk in this country and the wealthy and well-connected will find ways for their sons & daughters to evade the draft (and the battlefield) just like they did during Vietnam.

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JohannafromIHJ · 04-11-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by sum1:
<STRONG>Ah, personal attacks. Which aren't allowed, by FF rules.</STRONG>

Well, technically, it was more of a group attack, not a personal attack, seeing as how there were no names mentioned.

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Originally posted by sum1:
<STRONG>I'm against the draft. But if people are going to be drafted, it should be both genders. Anything else is gender discrimination and I'm against that in all forms. By the same token, women should be allowed to be combat soldiers if they want and not be barred from it.</STRONG>

I agree with this. Only targeting men for drafts and certain positions within the military is illogical, discriminating and wrong.

sum1 · 04-11-2004, 06:58 AM

mh67511 · 04-11-2004, 11:01 AM

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Again, the Univerisal National Service Act is not the same as a military draft.

You could of fooled me because I would like to know why all of a sudden people are worrying about a draft.

Hmm...lets go back to the original article that was posted:

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The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!

Now I'm SURE you know that S89/HR163 are more commonly known as the "Universal National Service Act." This article doesn't differentiate between the act and the draft, so why are you? There really is no difference, except for who is included and how it would work.

Side Note: ((If it werent't for these two bills, people wouldn't even be talking about a draft.))

Do you understand how a draft would work? They don't just say, "DRAFT TOMMOROW!" Both Congress and the President must authorize a draft, then the process would begin.

But it's not as if Congress and the President are considering authorizing a draft. They aren't. But, there are bills that have been proposed that would re-instate a draft that would not be selective; ALL YOUTH would have to serve.

It's also important to note that this "draft" would happen in times of war AND in times of peace. So it's not as if every young person would be going to war; a majority WOULDN'T.

I mean let's be honest, how many people actually want a draft? I know I sure don't, but if a draft is inevitable (which I don't think it is), I would want it to be non-selective.

THIS ACT is what you should be concerned about, not just Congress authorizing a regular military draft.

Katis · 04-11-2004, 06:09 PM

Let's calm down and have respect for each other and not insinuate things about their reading skills. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

pacifierrocks · 04-16-2004, 12:32 AM

Ok, i know that men have to do that registering thing so that they can be drafted if the situation ever came, but i kinda skimmed over all the posts. so are women included on this?

i'm not really worried myself. i'm the right age, but as far as i know the wrong gender. but if women were being drafted too, i doubt i'd pass the physical. exercise induced asthma. but if it were to happen i would be annoyed. i don't really have a plan for where my life is going right now, but military never entered my mind.

mh67511 · 04-16-2004, 08:11 PM

No. Women do not have to register for the selective service. So if there is a military draft, which is unlikely, women would not be drafted.

If the National Service Act passes, women would be drafted.

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Women Aren't Required to Register
Here's why:
THE LAW
Selective Service law as it's written now refers specifically to "male persons" in stating who must register and who would be drafted. For women to be required to register with Selective Service, Congress would have to amend the law.

THE SUPREME COURT
The constitutionality of excluding women was tested in the courts. A Supreme Court decision in 1981, Rostker v. Goldberg, held that registering only men did not violate the due process clause of the Constitution.

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
At President Clinton's request, the Department of Defense reviewed this issue in 1994. DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops. Because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD's view. Although no conclusions were reached, DoD recognized that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand.

The Selective Service System, if given the mission and additional funding, is capable of registering and drafting women with its existing infrastructure.

http://www.sss.gov/FSwomen.htm

Bill bobidy · 04-18-2004, 01:18 PM

Funny a bill like this should surface during Bush's time as president.

He did a great job of being such a coward as to skive out of it and watch his country men be killed.

Perhaps he should change his slogan to "Iwon't go there cus I'm scared but your kids will".

What anyone supports this guy for is beyond me. I guess cowards are in great demand in some parts of the world.

Yeah, I been a tad harsh, he did serve out time during Nam when he wasn't AWOL. I feel he did a great job in making sure the invisible bombers from the Vietcong never bombed the US.

What is it with Bush and invisible threats though?

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mh67511 · 04-18-2004, 06:40 PM

Ahem, for the record this is not something Bush is secretly trying to push through.

ALL the sponsors of the Universal National Service Act are DEMOCRATS. Hmm...

Bill bobidy · 04-19-2004, 10:51 AM

I don't really like the Democrats either (I'm left wing

) my problem is with a president who doesn't oppose this when he shyed away from gunfire and no doubt any little furry kitten thrown his way.

For Shame!

ceilirose · 04-22-2004, 04:26 AM

Senator Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, is now saying that the US may have to look at reinstating the draft.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...raft&printer=1

Congressman Rangel was interested in the draft from a more philosophical standpoint but Senator Hagel seems to share that thought as well. The very real need of the need for more soldiers on thr ground is also playing into this.

I'm still undecided because I know that there is no way a draft will be fair to all even with the best intentions. Also I read somewhere that it would take a year for the needed number of soldiers to be ready to be sent to an area with conflict. Unless the military can increase it's recruitment then we may be faced with dealing with the draft again.

mh67511 · 04-22-2004, 12:27 PM

Does anyone know how many people we have in our military?? Don't we have a large number of people in the reserves??

**n e r b l e** · 04-22-2004, 04:05 PM

we still have tons of people. and they can always call back to duty people that have been back from thier stay. they just don't want to cause it's a pain in the butt.

Online Player · 04-24-2004, 02:46 PM

I don't actually think it would happen, because this would kill a presidents relection chances and that is what Kerry would be wanting if he gets elected and Bush wants reelected now, so I doubt it'll happen now..

but anyway..

Men have to register for the draft at the age of 18..I did..but would I go? no because I can't, medical reasons, but if I did have to go, I wouldn't until both men and women had to go, it is not right for men to go and women not too..Wemon spent most of last century fighting for their rights, and they got them..The genders are supposed to be equal now, what does it say that women have to go and men don't? That their not equal..