News & Politics - US Preparing for Military Draft in 2005 - Page 2

mh67511 · 04-09-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by SuperDeluxe:
Women are not usually drafted..in Fact I only think that MEN have to sign up with that service thing when they turn 18.

No. Under the Universal National Service Act, no one would be exempt. Gender, religion, race, social class, it wouldn't matter. You'd have to join.

That's equality for ya.

But I still doubt they would send the women to the front lines.

mh67511 · 04-09-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by ceilirose:
For those who have turned 18 either this year or recently - don't you still have to register with the Selective Service even though there is not a draft? I assumed that was still the law.

All males do once they turn 18. In fact I don't think we can get financial aid for college unless we register.
http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm

Those are the requirements for who must register.

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AlexEvans · 04-09-2004, 12:39 PM

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the Bush twins should be the first to be sworn in if the draft is reinstated.

What did they ever do to you? They aren't in public life. They have nothing to do with politics. I find the personal attacks on them to be in extraordinarily bad taste.

In any case, as mh67511 has pointed out, this is not an effort by the administration. This bill is the idea of a cuckoo Democrat.

Even if Kerry, Pelosi, etc. get behind this and win the next election and get this passed, the military would probably not want to use short-term draftees in war zones. The US military is configured to wage war using smaller numbers of highly trained personnel, minimizing casualties and maximizing effectiveness.

Russia's war in Chechnya is an extreme example of why using ill-prepared troops is a bad idea.

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mh67511 · 04-09-2004, 12:40 PM

From the SSS website:

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Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25.

*Lauren · 04-09-2004, 08:44 PM

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What did they ever do to you? They aren't in public life. They have nothing to do with politics. I find the personal attacks on them to be in extraordinarily bad taste.

What? Personal attack? Where?

Besides, they didn't get it half as bad as Chelsea got. A high profile guy (thinking Rush Limbaugh, but correct me if I'm wrong) going on national TV and calling her a dog. All while she was TWLEVE years old mind you. The Bush twins have only ever been attacked for, you know, breaking the law. Rightly, or wrongly, they are under more public scrutiny then most teens, and should act accordingly. Dosen't make it fair, but its reality.

And I think the poster was refering to them signing up first, to show that it was fair. Besides there seems to be a history of doging the draft in that family.

**n e r b l e** · 04-09-2004, 09:21 PM

if you actually look at the bill every single senator is a em. just an fyi.

Headhunter · 04-09-2004, 09:45 PM

A wave of illegal draft dodgers will be fleeing from the States, any moment now...

Cantbehrit · 04-10-2004, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by mh67511:

I personally am not worried about this.

The only thing that worries me is the idea of some of my peers actually fighting for this country...now THAT is a scary thought! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

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Well the reason I brought this up is because of my husband. He's 25, young and the only son in his family that would be eligible. It makes me sad & scared for everyone that may be drafted and that are there now. But of course we always worry more about our own loved ones. My husband is a great father & our daughter is 6, our son is 6 weeks old & so I really just want to watch this & I'm going to have to take it seriously.

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birdie · 04-10-2004, 02:52 PM

Everyone who is in favor of the draft - here's a thought - why not join the military? Then you could be in the military and fewer people who didn't want to go in won't be drafted!

Ah, hypocrisy.

John Kerry does support national service.

National service does not equal military service. National service can include military service but also includes volunteering and working with organizations like AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps.

Ah, reading comprehension skills.

Cantbehrit · 04-10-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by SuperDeluxe:


Women are not usually drafted..in Fact I only think that MEN have to sign up with that service thing when they turn 18.

I'm 29 & a stay at home mother of 2 - one infant. So I'm not worried for myself. But my husband is a different story.

And I thought the draft was for 18-29 year olds. 26 isn't the cut off is it?

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AlexEvans · 04-10-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Cantbehrit:


Well the reason I brought this up is because of my husband. He's 25, young and the only son in his family that would be eligible. It makes me sad & scared for everyone that may be drafted and that are there now. But of course we always worry more about our own loved ones. My husband is a great father & our daughter is 6, our son is 6 weeks old & so I really just want to watch this & I'm going to have to take it seriously.

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The thing is, this isn't going to happen. I don't think you need to take it seriously. Obviously it would matter a great deal, to you and to many people, if it had a chance of happening. But it doesn't seem that there is.

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sum1 · 04-10-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by birdie:
Everyone who is in favor of the draft - here's a thought - why not join the military? Then you could be in the military and fewer people who didn't want to go in won't be drafted!

Ah, hypocrisy.

John Kerry does support national service.

National service does not equal military service. National service can include military service but also includes volunteering and working with organizations like AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps.

Ah, reading comprehension skills.

Ah, personal attacks. Which aren't allowed, by FF rules.

mh67511 · 04-10-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by birdie:
Everyone who is in favor of the draft - here's a thought - why not join the military? Then you could be in the military and fewer people who didn't want to go in won't be drafted!

Now I am not in favor of the Universal National Serivce Act or rather "draft" as it is being called. But I don't think people realize the REASONING behind it.

The thing is, maybe people who support the act support it NOT because they are dying to be in the military, but because they want EVERYONE to share in the burden of defending this country.

That is the whole point of this act! Only ONE congress person has a child in the military. Now don't you think our country would be MUCH MORE cautious about going to war, if ALL YOUTH, including those of congress men and women, would have to serve this country? I for one think so, but still I can't support this act. I am just trying to point out that I understand the reasoning behind the act, I just don't think it justifies the National Service Act.

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sum1 · 04-10-2004, 09:05 PM

I'm against the draft. But if people are going to be drafted, it should be both genders. Anything else is gender discrimination and I'm against that in all forms. By the same token, women should be allowed to be combat soldiers if they want and not be barred from it.

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birdie · 04-11-2004, 12:37 AM

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Ah, personal attacks. Which aren't allowed, by FF rules.

And who did I single out?

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Now I am not in favor of the Universal National Serivce Act or rather "draft" as it is being called. But I don't think people realize the REASONING behind it.

Again, the Univerisal National Service Act is not the same as a military draft.

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The thing is, maybe people who support the act support it NOT because they are dying to be in the military, but because they want EVERYONE to share in the burden of defending this country

You really think the son (or daughter) of a congressman is going off to war? Puh-lease. They'll either weasel out of it or get a cushy spot with the Coast Guard like you-know-who. It'll be the ones without money or connections who will be cannon fodder.