News & Politics - US Election Coverage 2008 - Part 8 - Rock the vote! - Page 5

JW77 · 09-02-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vc318 (View Post)

Well, that's what I felt your post was saying. And again, the whole inexperience talk started from the Republican party so why would a rant they started hold any more water now that Palin is getting attacked about her inexperience too? So, because Democrats are saying that's she's inexperienced makes us far worse than what the Republicans are doing to Obama? The criticism isn't being dished out fairly here.

Again, I wasn't criticizing the Democrats for talking about Palin's experience. I was just giving my opinion on what the Democrats could focus on instead of experience.

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Originally Posted by ceilirose (View Post)

Republicans wouldn't necessarily lose if they had a pro-choice candidate either. Ridge or Leiberman would have been far more qualified candidates than Palin. Those two might have convinced independents to vote for McCain.

Probably, but it seems Palin was chosen to strengthen the support in the conservative base. Not the best choice in my opinion, but like you said, apparently McCain gave in.

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But that section you quoted was pretty misleading - it wasn't balanced at all.

It was an opinion piece...it wasn't meant to be balanced. I don't think it was misleading though. McKinney was right in her criticism. Should I have posted that McKinney is running for President? Probably so, but I figured people posting here would know that.

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Or he's not afraid of being surrounded by people who don't agree with him on one aspect of economic reform. That person, if I remember correctly, was highly thought of in terms of his overall economic background.

That could be true. Didn't Obama say that he wouldn't shop at Walmart because of their practices? Either way I still question Obama's sincerity on the issue.

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Obama doesn't have any limits on it and I thought that McCain did. I'm more concerned about the overall view on it if McCain wins. Palin is against it, the conservative base is against it and if the Democrats don't get a veto proof majority then it's a dead issue. Personally I think McCain could be moved to switch his position if the conservative Christian right gives him the election because of Palin.

I don't think it would be a dead issue, but that's probably because I don't think McCain would switch his position as easily as you believe he would.

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Obama has stated that he will raise taxes on the people in the higher end of the income bracket. That's going to p.o. some people but so be it.

That still won't cover it completely, which is why he said he would also cut some Federal programs. I want to know which programs he's talking about cutting from exactly.

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I'm talking about the war and the overall budget for the military. If you're talking about the incident about a month or so ago where he had to give an additional press conference to explain his first conference - that was a media moment. It had a shelf life of less than 24 hours.

I've followed his views on Iraq and he's always called for a 16 month exit plan but would listen to the generals/leaders on the ground, take their views into consideration and act accordingly. That hasn't really changed but the talking heads went into an orgasm about it that day.

So the timetable could change if the generals on the ground believe that Obama's plan needs to be adjusted? The answer to that question is yes. Obama says 16 months and I'm sure that's what he wants, but to end it responsibly he'll consult the people on the ground and decide based on their advice.

And as far as overall military spending, Obama wants to increase the size of the military. He's stated several times that he'd like to spend more on high tech weapons and intelligence gathering.

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Originally Posted by Uh Blah (View Post)

The difference is Obama was ELECTED where as Palin was chosen by McCain & his staff after what 2 meetings? If I asked you a year ago who Obama was I think you'd have some idea. But if I asked you who Palin was?

Exactly!

But that wouldn't be a fair question...I live right outside of Chicago and Obama is my Senator.

Seriously though...I follow politics, but I had no idea who Palin was. And again, I don't think she was the best choice.

**sunnykerr** · 09-02-2008, 06:50 PM

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I think if you can't handle a few tough campaign questions, how can you handle terrorists and the tough questions you'll get if you are president?

That's an excellent question.

Did they not realize that people would question Palin as a VP candidate?

Okay, so I don't understand what this woman brings to the table, if anything at all. And obviously I have my own biases. But, come on. If you're going to pick any given person for the number 2 spot, you have to be able to expain your choice.

And I mean beyond that soundbite of hers going around where she says that she is still waiting for someone to explain to her what it is exactly that a vice-president does.

ceilirose · 09-02-2008, 09:54 PM

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I don't think it would be a dead issue, but that's probably because I don't think McCain would switch his position as easily as you believe he would.

He gave in pretty easily last week in regards to Palin.

After watching Thompson and Lieberman tonight - call me underwhelmed. Well except for the "angry left" line that Thompson threw in. Or was is Bush? Lieberman? Can't remember but it did make me laugh.

I guess I'd like to know why the Republicans trashed Kerry's war record in '04 and criticized him for "always" talking about it and defining himself with it. Tonight every third comment was about McCain POW's status. But I guess that's ok?

Uh Blah · 09-03-2008, 06:06 AM

I think we can agree that the wiser choice for McCain would have been someone more moderate to appeal to the independent voters. Some how McCain has flip flopped so far off to the right that he's lost his way back to the center. After last night's speeches I don't know if the country has ever been so divided & this "Maverick" has only chosen to deepen that. Obama must seize on this opportunity to appeal to those voters that McCain so foolishly alienated.

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It's not the media's business that Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant, either. And yet, people still got on her for that. But now.....it's not okay to get on Palin's daughter?

Jamie Lynn chose to get into the spotlight where as Bristol was thrust into it by her mother. Neither is fair, but there is a difference IMO.

collide · 09-03-2008, 09:09 AM

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I think if you can't handle a few tough campaign questions, how can you handle terrorists and the tough questions you'll get if you are president?

Word. Obama is going on O'Reilly's show on Thursday night. On a network that has never been fair to him........

McCain Manager: 'This Election is Not About Issues' - The Fix

In reaction to Rick Davis' comments about the election not being about issues, Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe released the following statement: "We appreciate Senator McCain's campaign manager finally admitting that his campaign is not in fact about the issues the American people care about, which is exactly the kind of cynical old politics people are ready to change."

LOL.

ceilirose · 09-03-2008, 11:08 AM

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Word. Obama is going on O'Reilly's show on Thursday night. On a network that has never been fair to him........

McCain Manager: 'This Election is Not About Issues' - The Fix

In reaction to Rick Davis' comments about the election not being about issues, Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe released the following statement: "We appreciate Senator McCain's campaign manager finally admitting that his campaign is not in fact about the issues the American people care about, which is exactly the kind of cynical old politics people are ready to change."

LOL.

Ha!

Why isn't the media all over Todd Palin and his membership in the Alaska Independent Party? Do you remember Michele Obama's comment about finally being proud of her country and the whole controversy over that? It's such a double standard.

I can only imagine if someone from Obama's family was involved in the Hawaiian sovereignty movement we wouldn't hear the end of it. Bill O'Reilly would be imploding right now.

WECpoker · 09-03-2008, 01:16 PM

I am gonna vote for one of these candidates....

But I am looking for the day when one of these political parties gets over themselves and works for the American People

Seems to me it has just gotten to the point where we need to abolish the Democrat and Republican parties and find some that are looking to help us..and not line (1) Their Pockets (2) Pockets of Contributors (3) Pockets of Lobbyists (4) Pockets of everyone but everyday American Citizens

collide · 09-03-2008, 02:09 PM

Mike Murphy (Republican consultant) and Peggy Noonan (conservative WSJ columnist) are caught on mic saying what they REALLY think about the Palin pick.

ontd_political: "I think they went for this - excuse me - political bull**** about narratives."

**vc318** · 09-03-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCity Boy (View Post)

I think if you can't handle a few tough campaign questions, how can you handle terrorists and the tough questions you'll get if you are president?

True. Even McCain's campaign team thought this was a bad move.

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Word. Obama is going on O'Reilly's show on Thursday night. On a network that has never been fair to him........

Oh, I'll be watching that. As long as Obama doesn't get trapped in his questions, I think he'll do fine.

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Mike Murphy (Republican consultant) and Peggy Noonan (conservative WSJ columnist) are caught on mic saying what they REALLY think about the Palin pick.

Oh, it'll be no different then when Jesse Jackson made that racist comment about Obama over the air. They'll be apologizing for this later too.

ceilirose · 09-03-2008, 11:34 PM

Palin can deliver a speech alright although a good part of it was written by Bush's old speech writers.

She did what she had to do to rev up her base but I don't know if it translates to independents. At times it was pretty nasty and sarcastic and I still don't think she has her own opinion on the Iraq War - only what she's told to say. She didn't really put forth her own plans for where she and McCain would take the country.

It was weird to see all of them - Romney, Huckabee and Giuliani all saying in some form that the liberals had to be taken out of Washington to solve problems when their party has been causing them since 2000.

Giuliani and Romney are still slime though - always will be. Giuliani is one of the dirtiest policitians out there who's making a good living off of 9/11. I'm a dog lover and Romney strapping his dog on the roof of their car when the family went on vacations - well there has to be a special place in hell for him.

collide · 09-03-2008, 11:50 PM

I didn't listen to her speech, but apparently she only bashed Obama. She did not talk about the issues or her polices. Big surprise.

I heard a snippet and she basically bashed Obama for being a community organizer. Wtf?

Those people are slime. A Republican president is in office right now.

alexgeo · 09-04-2008, 03:05 AM

NObama

**~*Nikki*~** · 09-04-2008, 04:03 AM

I'm going to toss my comments into the ring here.

Going into this election I was dead set on not voting for Obama, I don't like the man and I'm still that way. I've never been one for the Republican party, but I have to say that even while still being a Clinton fan, I was thinking McCain wasn't a bad choice.

When McCain picked Palin as his running mate I figured it was mostly a choice to garner some attention considering we've had a popular race with a female all through the year.

I've done the research and Palin is okay with me. I like the fact that she seems like a normal person, she's had hardships and I appreciate that. Obama is upper class and snooty whereas I feel like Palin more or less can relate to the average American.

I hate that people are looking down on her for having an unmarried pregnant daughter. Even the best of mothers can have children make mistakes. My parents are wonderful people and raised three good kids, but my sister made a mistake and got pregnant, this doesn't mean our parents were unfit or less loving, children will be children and we don't always do what we're told. I have a beautiful neice and I wouldn't take anything back if given the choice. I hate that people are making this such a big deal when in today's world it's fairly an average incident.

I also must say that as a family member of someone with a mental hardship, I appreciated Sarah's comment about this. It meant alot.

**vc318** · 09-04-2008, 04:06 AM

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NObama

Alex, could you post more than just your one comment lines. That seems like you're star posting.

I didn't hear her speech either but I have a pretty good idea what it was about.

**TheAngel** · 09-04-2008, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ~*Nikki*~ (View Post)

I'm going to toss my comments into the ring here.

Going into this election I was dead set on not voting for Obama, I don't like the man and I'm still that way. I've never been one for the Republican party, but I have to say that even while still being a Clinton fan, I was thinking McCain wasn't a bad choice.

When McCain picked Palin as his running mate I figured it was mostly a choice to garner some attention considering we've had a popular race with a female all through the year.

I've done the research and Palin is okay with me. I like the fact that she seems like a normal person, she's had hardships and I appreciate that. Obama is upper class and snooty whereas I feel like Palin more or less can relate to the average American.

I hate that people are looking down on her for having an unmarried pregnant daughter. Even the best of mothers can have children make mistakes. My parents are wonderful people and raised three good kids, but my sister made a mistake and got pregnant, this doesn't mean our parents were unfit or less loving, children will be children and we don't always do what we're told. I have a beautiful neice and I wouldn't take anything back if given the choice. I hate that people are making this such a big deal when in today's world it's fairly an average incident.

I also must say that as a family member of someone with a mental hardship, I appreciated Sarah's comment about this. It meant alot.

Wait, McCain has multiple homes, more money for certain than the "average American" and pretty much votes opposite on anything Obama's voting for, and for that matter that Hillary was a proponent for. Palin isn't running this country. She's not really doing anything other than being a cheerleader, I mean, let's be honest, it's not like she's going to have any influence on policy decisions in the White House at all.
What's wrong with being upper class, educated, and yes, slightly elitist. I'm not voting for average American of the year. I'm voting for President of the United State, and I want him to be better than a Good Ol' Boy. We got into that issue with Bush, and look at where we ended up.
It's good to know though that you'd sacrifice your issues so you don't have to vote for him. Or maybe you were just apathetic in the first place.