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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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Just my two cents worth, it seems a little ridiculous because it seems that if you're going to hide something like that in order to not avoid hurting others, it's like saying you have to hide the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor being taught in a Japanese classroom. You can't exactly sugarcoat history and just explain the simple facts that may be ambiguous at some point. What's happened, happened, and students do need to know their history. This almost (though I'm not really saying they are) makes those that are aware of the history of the Holocaust and actually believe it happened make them look like they are in denial themselves. | |||
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| If that's true, it's ridiculous. __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Why are we so damn worried about offending Muslims? I don't see them stopping history classes on slavery that may offend African-Americans, or World War II that may offend any families of German, Japanese, or Italian immigrants. They still teach about British Royalty (and some of those guys were screwed up, let me tell you) which may offend a number of British or Irish families. We're also taught about Vietnam and Korea, offending both Korean and Vietnamese families. Therefore, we should stop teaching history. That's the only solution to this problem. Worried about challenging what they're taught in mosques. I was challenged daily on what I had learned in church, whether in history classes or English classes or science classes, it didn't matter, my faith was strong enough. I don't want to bring children into this world we're creating, it's starting to worry me. __________________ Real Gamers Wear Pink "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway | |||
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| There are many things in history that offend me, but you don't see me asking my teachers to stop teaching them. Hell, I'm even a history major! I've even thought about teaching history on some level, but I would never not teach something on the basis that it might offend someone. You cannot change the past, even if you want to, because what is taught in the classroom is more factual than what it taught in a religious setting. Why? Because I'm sure that those people are changing things here and there to show a more biased viewpoint. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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| That's just insanity. History cannot be edited just to make some people feel better. It is what it is. Sometimes we are hurt by what we hear but we need to know it. | |||
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| These people needed to be treated like equals not some 2nd class citizens who needs the world to cater to their every whim. I completely disagree with them not teaching the Holocaust out of fear offending Muslims. IF the parents have that much of an aversion to their children learning about the Holocaust they could take them to another school or homeschool them. Doing this is just catering to Holocaust Denial and creating more antisemites. I could care less if this offends any antisemite. There are many things in history and the world in general that offends me. The difference is though is that I do not expect that whole world to cater to my every little need, because I am not emotionally strong enough to handle the fact that there are people that disagree with me. If it gets that difficult, I just remove myself from the situation, rather it be through physical leaving or mentally leaving. Not only will this create more antisemites, it will also create more Islamophobes. People are or will be pissed off, some will blame the school district/s and others will take it out on the Muslims even those that do not deny the Holocaust. __________________ visit The Hunger Games Icon by Periwinkles | |||
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| The holocaust is an important part of history, not only for jews or germans. People will always hear about it at some point of their life, and I think it's better when this happens at school. It always depends on the teacher you've got, but from what I've experienced at school you've got the highest chance to get (at least the near) truth about it. With not teaching about it, you just kind of support the holocaust deniers, which should definately not happen under any circumstances. __________________
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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At this rate, maybe thirty years from now, they'll try to avoid teaching the history of 9/11 to any kids because it would raise kids to go against Muslims or for Muslim kids to recreate the attack and other things. Just to let you know, I'm not trying to be a racist in this sort of thing but it seems in the article, that's what those teachers are trying to prevent. | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Funny how the fear of offending Germans never hampered anyone from teaching about the Holocaust but the fear of offending people who, as far as I know, weren't directly involved in any of it may put the kibosh on it. Do we really want to live in a world where Anne Frank just happened to die one day for no reason whatsoever? And the Nuremberg Trials? Were they the ravings of power-hungry fools? What about Elie Wiesel and those numbers he's got tattooed on his arm? Did he do that to himself then? We're really bad at learning from our past mistakes. But the only sure way I know to repeat our history is to ignore it completely. The Holocaust should be taught to every child out there. Depending on the age, we might want to be careful as to how we go about teaching that particular part of our history, but this monstrous event in our world changed our world, changed our history. It changed geography, it changed demography. And the people who died because of it and trying to end it may be forgotten with the passage of time, but how dare anyone glaze over what happened to them. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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| So... it's okay to offend Jews and gays, but offending Muslims is baaaad? Huh. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | And I love how it's a blanket thing: for fear of offending Muslims. As in, all Muslims. As though they're all anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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