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| Dedicated Fan   Joined: Nov 2004
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| DEBATE SOCIAL ISSUES - stem cells, abortion etc. Debate social issues here. | |||
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| Hey mystic I am going to edit the title so that it is just stem cell. There isn't a limit on how many threads we can have here and we already have an abortion thread. So if another topic comes up that you'd like to discuss just start another thread for this. One topic per thread makes it a little easier to figure out what's going on. We get into enough arguements one topic at a time  __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer. --Bruce Graham | |||
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| I don't know where I stand on the issue either. On one hand I am leery about where the embryos are coming from, whether or not they are created specifically for this purpose, or are "leftovers" from fertility clinics, etc. On the other hand I have personal experience with some of the diseases that could be cured, or aided by stem cell research. It's tough. __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer. --Bruce Graham | |||
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| I am all for stem cell research. For me, it's a no-brainer. This administration is so worried about protecting the lives of embryos and fetuses but they don't care about you once you're born. They're all for the death penalty and against stem cell research, which could help cure thousands of people. I propose that all people who are against stem cell research sign a contract. The contract will say that they don't want their money going towards stem cell research. In turn, if they ever get a disease or become paralyzed, they will not be allowed to receive the benefits of stem cell research. We won't cure them, we will let them die. Sound good? That seems fair to me. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders Last edited by Milt Palacio; 12-16-2004 at 06:12 PM. | |||
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| I am against killing something that may have a chance at life in order to save something else. I think If someone has an injury or a terminal illness that we are unable to cure right now with traditional medicine, then they probably weren't meant to find one yet. I mean, thats not to say that they never will, or that we shouldn't keep trying, I just think there are more ways to find cure, even in stem cell research than using embyos. This issue effects me very closely on a daily basis so I'm not just spouting off ideals. __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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__________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| Stem cell research just helped a paralyzed woman walk again in South Korea. Paralyzed Woman walks again after Stem Cell Therapy __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Master Fan Joined: Sep 2004
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| I seriously doubt that. Do you have a link? Cause if you do, hell I'll print it off an run it up to my brother who, 5 years after his initial injury is once again back in the hospital, this time for christmas. __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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| Master Fan Joined: Sep 2004
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| First of all, that article specifically said that more info and verification was required and secondly, that was umbilical cord stem cell, I specifically said I am not against that, only embryotic because it is ending a life. Cord cells are not used or need for anyone to survive after the baby is born. You can even take cells before the baby is born if you are careful. If there is a way to use those cord cells successfully thats wonderful, but I'll have to see more proof. __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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| There have been doubters during every scientfic breakthrough in our country's history. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Master Fan Joined: Sep 2004
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| Yes, and there have been a lot of times those doubters were right, what does that prove? __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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| I see no problem with it and I hope research carries on. This is the next big step in the medical field. There is nothing morally wrong with it and if people don't like they should not be able to recieve the benifits of it. It is going to happen no matter what "W" or any other right wing politician in the US says. It may advance more quickly if America was on board. | |||
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| Master Fan Joined: Sep 2004
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| As I've said before, neither W nor I am against anything but embryonic research, the other forms are fine with us. __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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