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Old 10-22-2004, 11:08 PM
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Sox Fan's Death Raises Questions on Force

thats so sad A innocent person was killed....

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Sox Fan's Death Raises Questions on Force

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By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer

BOSTON - The death of a college student from a pepper-spray-filled projectile sparked anger and questions Friday about whether police used too much force to break up rowdy Red Sox revelers outside Fenway Park.

The mayor said more police will be at neighborhood bars during the upcoming World Series to make sure fans do not get too drunk or rowdy, but he backed off his threat to ban alcohol in the area during the games.

Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole said police are considering discontinuing the use of the weaponry that killed Victoria Snelgrove as officers tried to contain an estimated 80,000 fans who poured into the area after the Red Sox victory Wednesday at Yankee Stadium in New York.

O'Toole said the officers showed "great restraint" but had to fire the projectiles after a few revelers set small fires and threw bottles at police and vandalized property, endangering others. Snelgrove, a 21-year-old Emerson College student, was hit in the eye and died hours later.

The plastic balls of pepper spray, which are propelled from devices similar to paintball guns, are meant to help police control large groups without injuring people.

"We want to use the least force necessary in order to maintain the crowd," O'Toole said. "Very unfortunately, it resulted in a horrible action."

Mayor Thomas Menino decided against invoking a rarely used state law to ban the sale of alcohol "in cases of riot or great public excitement" after meeting with about two dozen bar and restaurant owners Friday.

Instead, the city and bar owners agreed to limit the number of people lining up to enter Fenway-area clubs and to prevent live television coverage inside the bars so patrons do not get rowdy as they play to the cameras.

Fifteen people, including a police officer, suffered minor injuries in the game's aftermath, and Boston police reported eight arrests, mostly for disorderly conduct.

Several people who were near the area where Snelgrove was shot said the crowd seemed under control when the pepper-spray balls were fired.

Doug Conroy, 33, of Portland, Maine, said he and several other people had climbed the rafters of Fenway's famed Green Monster when police began to order them back down. He said he saw an officer in riot gear shoot something into the crowd below him.

He said he heard a woman scream, then heard sobbing. "A lot of people then looked over and saw her lying awkwardly on the sidewalk and blood coming out of her nose. She wasn't moving and we were just hoping she was just unconscious," Conroy said.

He called the police action "an egregious overreaction."

"There was nothing violent going on. It was all celebration," he said.

Boston police bought the projectile weaponry for crowd control during this summer's Democratic National Convention, but did not use it then because protests remained relatively subdued.

Melvin L. Tucker, a security consultant who specializes in the use of force by police, said "less-than-lethal" weaponry has become an increasingly popular among police departments around the country over the past five years as a replacement for tactics such as nightsticks and tear gas.

"This is generally a lot safer. It's a real tragedy," said Tucker, a former police chief of Tallahassee, Fla., and Asheville, N.C.

Emerson College canceled classes Friday, held a counseling session and tentatively scheduled a memorial service next week for Snelgrove, whom friends and teachers described as a hardworking student who dreamed of becoming an entertainment reporter.

When journalism professor Bob Klinkscale read the news to his class Thursday, "It sounded like the air was sucked out of the room," he said.

Grief turned to anger at the offices of the Boston Herald, where readers called and e-mailed to complain about a graphic front-page photo of a bleeding Snelgrove lying on the ground. The newspaper issued an apology for that photo and a smaller one inside Thursday's editions.

Snelgrove's death was the second in Boston this year during rowdy celebrations of sports victories. Police were caught understaffed when riots broke out after the New England Patriots' Super Bowl win Feb. 1. One person was killed and another critically injured when a vehicle plowed into revelers.

In a Boston sports brawl last year, former New York Yankees players Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia are scheduled to go on trial Tuesday on charges of assaulting a Fenway Park groundskeeper who cheered the Red Sox during the 2003 American League Championship Series. Prosecutors on Friday dropped charges against the groundskeeper, whom Nelson had accused of bumping him and spitting on him.
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Old 10-23-2004, 03:31 AM
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Oh man...I hadn't heard of this That is really tragic...I was telling my friend that night "you know Boston and NY are gonna get crazy tonight"
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Old 10-23-2004, 07:51 PM
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Oh man...I hadn't heard of this That is really tragic...I was telling my friend that night "you know Boston and NY are gonna get crazy tonight"
yep, sad that police forced ended with this happening, very tragic
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Old 10-23-2004, 10:01 PM
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That's horrible. People on both sides were in the wrong. The police for not using the pepper spray bullets properly and the crowd for allowing themselves to act in such a fashion that they needed to be used. Hopefully people will fricking learn from this.
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Old 10-25-2004, 03:58 PM
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The Boston Herald published a photo of the victim's dying body on the front page Thursday. Inside was an even more graphic photo of the 21 yr old college student who was simply waiting in line at a hot dog stand. The Herald apologized for posting the photos the next day. The images are brutal & had no business being shown on a daily newspaper. I feel very sad for the parents of the victim. Perhaps the intent of the Herald was to prevent another incident during the World Series, but it was an accident at the hands of the Boston PD. This doesn't excuse the actions of others who trashed the city that night. By videotaping these idiots & making them the top story you(the media) are feeding the fury. Stopping beer sales is punishing everyone for the actions of a few & that's not right. Preventing cameras from advertising those few who cross the line is a good deterent in sum cases. However, there's gonna be more rioting & that's unfortunate. but we can prevent accidents like what happened on Wednesday. & that starts with banning those "non-lethal" pepper spray cans.
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:18 PM
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Yes but in the modern world the phylosophy on punishment is to punish the majority for what the minority is guilty of. Therefore, in my school for example, fifty kids smoke in the bathroom and the other 2,000 of us are treated like criminals every time we have to pee. In this case a group of people got out of hand and the police responded with necessary force to keep the situation under control. It is terribly tragic that these things happened though.
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