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| Soccer referee orders Muslim girl to remove hijab if she wants to play Quote:
There have been several new developments - if you go to Google News and search soccer hijab, you'll get tons of stories and editorials. Anyway, so my understanding of the issue is that this girl has always played with her hijab, and now a Quebec referee told her it wasn't allowed, citing safety concerns. (I imagine that perhaps another player could pull the scarf and hurt the girl, maybe worry of choking.) The team then forfeited in protest. My take: If it's a legitimate safety issue, then it's understandable, but they need to come up with some compromise. I read that her hijab even has velcro fasteners so it can't get stuck, which, IMO, seems to solve any potential problem. I think that banning hijabs just like that is a terrible idea, because it alienates young girls who potentially would want to play (and therefore closes off an amazing potential source of integration). Thoughts? Stuff like this has really mushroomed in Quebec in the past months - headlines about "reasonable accomodation" are everywhere. __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| Okay, this doesn't make sense unless the girl's hijab is some sort of secret device that would control the soccer ball. Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with it. | |||
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| The only reason which could possibly warrant the request to remove the hijab is evidently a matter of safety; as cited before, the hijab was designed so it would not be a threat, so what's the issue? Just seems to me the ref was on a power trip (as most football fans would agree anyway ) and was unneccessarily exercising his power without giving proper consideration to the situation.Poor girl. | |||
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| The one thing I still don't understand is how a religious person like that can even play soccer in the first place? I mean, you have to wear a uniform that shows your legs and the last time I checked, the girls with hijabs don't wear those. I have Muslim friends and none of them would wear shorts in the gym; they'd always wear sweat pants. Am I missing something here? __________________ + Eda + | |||
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You know, that's a really good point. As far as I can tell, you're right, although I have to admit it didn't occur to me. I'm kind of torn on this issue. On one hand, I'm all for religious tolerence, but on the other, I definitely see where the ref was coming from. When I was in high school, wearing your hair down wasn't allowed for some sports (and I think soccer was among them, actually) since it was something to pull and whatnot. I guess it depends on the school system. This article has a bit of bias, though, as they don't get fully into the rules. The quote about how it doesn't hinder her ability to play made me laugh, in all honesty. It's so misplaced as the issue isn't about that. It might not hinder her ability to play, but it's something a person on the opposing team could reach out and grab, too. And hell, they'd probably be accused of a hate crime for ripping it off of her. I don't see this as Muslim intolerance, though. It just sounds like a ref strict about following the rules. It mentions in the article that jewelry isn't allowed either, so I wonder if he's had to remove a few cross necklaces. I think it's a reasonable assumption. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| From my understanding, though, this isn't a female Muslim soccer team. In order for what you're saying to work, wouldn't that mean that none of the other girls can have fathers, brothers, (boy)friends in attendance at the games? That seems more than a little crazy to me, and really, really hard to enforce, especially given that I can't picture all the games being held in private locations. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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I just don't think it makes sense for a girl that's so religious to wear shorts if she won't even take off her hijab. __________________ + Eda + | |||
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| Yeah... I don't know. While there's some cases of really obvious oppression, this doesn't really strike me as one. In all honesty, it seems like people are trying to blow this up into some civil rights violation or something. If the girl's wearing shorts, she can't whine about the hijab. It irritates me when people are totally cool violating one tenant of their "beliefs" but the second someone questions another... ugh. Pick your battles. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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I think the media is just trying to make this look worse than it actually is. It's so stupid. __________________ + Eda + | |||
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__________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I had to remove my St. Joan medal when I played soccer on a team. Does this mean my religion was being opressed? No, it was a danger. If I had gotten grabbed around the neck it could have cut me, or it could have hit someone else. If by accident the Hijab is grabbed and the girls are hurt, parents would probably sue the school or something. We had a jewish boy at our school that had to take off his yarmulke when he played. __________________ Real Gamers Wear Pink "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway | |||
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| I also think that the media and some Muslim groups are trying to make the situation worse then it actually is. Hey... as been widely reported in Quebec... the ref that ordered the girl to remove her hijab is also a Muslim. I also have the feeling the upcoming provincial election also factors into to how the situation was reported. As Elisheva mentioned, "reasonable accommodation" issues in relation to special treatment given to minority groups on a number of different issues have been making headlines here a lot lately. "Reasonable accommodation" stuff has become an election issue... with the three main political parties in Quebec voicing different opinions. I also have a feeling that maybe perhaps at least part of the reason that the 4 teams from Ontario quit the tournament was possibly based on a let's show those intolerant Quebec people that we are more tolerant, etc., etc. And the feeling that I have picked up by the various comments from those involved in soccer in Quebec is that the Quebec refs interpret the international soccer regulations better those "lax" Ontario refs. Ontario and Quebec have a long tradition of ummmmm.... rivalry. Maggie __________________ Peace, Love and Roswell | |||
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| I don't think it was a case of anti-Muslim prejudice, no. I think the way the story has blown up is part and parcel of a huge debate here in Quebec over "reasonable accomodation" of minorities, and I think some of that debate does betray an anti-minority sentiment (largely against Muslims, but other minorities as well). In his response to the situation, the leader of a major provincial party (André Boisclair, leader of the Parti Québecois) actually stated that female Muslim teachers should not wear hijabs in the classroom. I think that kind of thing is ridiculous. Summer: Elmasry and the CIC are actually Montreal-based, as far as I'm aware, and he issues comments on almost every local issue that is relevant to the Muslim community. Given that this occurred in Laval (the smaller island right next to Montreal), it's not unusual that he would release a statement. And I think the point of mentioning female soccer teams in Muslim countries was not to say that Canada should follow the practices of those countries, but more to point out that other women have played soccer while wearing the hijab without any safety concerns. I do agree that he's muddling the issue when he argues it doesn't endanger other players' safety - the concern, as I understand it, is far more for the girl herself. I think that if it's a serious concern, then no, she shouldn't be wearing the hijab while playing and they'll have to figure something out. But if it isn't, then I don't see any reason for banning it, and in fact I think it could be a very destructive move. Everyone who's ever watched Bend It Like Beckham knows what a great tool for integration soccer can be ![]() Papri, maybe you can answer a question for me - I had always thought that Muslim girls only wear the hijab or other head coverings after puberty, so I was confused to read that this girl is 11. Am I mistaken about that? ![]() __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| Elisheva: The thing is... as several Muslim women have pointed on various message boards and letters to the editor... that sports hijabs are available. Here's a link: The Hijab Shop - Sporting Hijabs I was talking to a guy who I work with who is a soccer ref and the worry apparently is that if the velco tabs had come open that the material of her hijab could possibly wrapped around her neck. Apparently soccer referees in Quebec are often quite strick about any form of head gear... even head bands. Any ways... the matter is going to be discussed by FIFA at the international level. Will be good to get firm guidelines that will be implemented in an even manner. So even though the young girl missed out in participating in this tournament... hopefully the rules will be clarified so that this problem doesn't come up again. Maggie __________________ Peace, Love and Roswell | |||
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