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| 'Seinfeld' Star Michael Richards to Apologize on 'Letterman' for Racial Slurs Quote:
Mel Gibson would have been crucified if he did this.Sasha ![]() __________________ Sasha | |||
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| Michael Richards is a loser. He probably did this just to get attention. I think that the people in the audience that were offended are making a big deal out of nothing. If you don't want to hear racist comments from a comedian, don't waste your money on seeing a racist comedian. I think "Kramer" made a big mistake but I do think that the audience members have a part in it too. They were heckling the comedian and he snapped. The audience members should have to apologize too because from the video that I saw, they were using racial slurs against Richards. They called Richards a "cracker" in the video. Comedians say offensive things all the time. I don't see why everyone is making a big deal about it. They have freedom of speech just like the rest of us. I mean I've heard the great Bill Maher say horrible offensive about Christians and their religion but no one ever demands that he apologizes. I have said this before and I will say it again. In our society, there are certain social groups that you are allowed to make fun of and then there are ones that you are not allowed to make fun of. It sucks that it's like that but it's true. | |||
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| Kramer: Now Joining the "Make Mel Gibson Look Good" Club! Seriously, wtf? He wasn't even joking - he was obviously furious and quite serious. And the things he were saying were bordering on KKK-style ("years ago, we'd have had a fork up your ---"????) Quote:
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| So called "stupid" college kids aren't the only ones that assign the word "gay" numerous different meanings. The media and entertainment do it all the time. Just look at South Park. In our society, gay doesn't always mean homosexuality. I honestly don't really see anything wrong with saying something is "gay" when you dislike it. A lot of people use the word "gay" as a way of saying that something isn't cool. It's not really a slap against gay people in my opinion. People give words numerous different meanings all the time. I mean look at the phrase "my bad" for example. The audience members kinda brought it upon themselves in my opinion. They obviously shouldn't have heckled Michael Richards. When I saw the story on tv, I laughed at how that no reporters were mentioning the fact the the African American audience members were calling Richards a cracker. That is how our society is though. If a white guy is called racist names, it's not that big of a deal. But if a member from a minority is called racist names, then it is a big deal. | |||
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| No I don't know Michael Richards. However, I do know that he probably hates the fact that he has the "Seinfeld curse". He is probably enjoying the attention he is getting. I mean he hasn't really been in the news since Seinfeld was on. Sometimes when you get called a derogatory term, the best thing you can do is just walk away and forget about it. Comedians should give some respect and courtesy to audience members when they're doing a routine but audience members should also give them the same common courtesy and respect. I've never understood why people are hecklers. If you think the comedian sucks so bad then why did you pay to see him? Let's not forget the fact audience members used racial slurs against Michael Richards. Richards is guilty of making racial slurs against audience members but the audience members are guilty as well. They aren't innocent either. | |||
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| The people in the audience only did so after Richards did first. Does it make it right? No. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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![]() It's nothing new, though. It's a known double standard that minorities can get away with racial and stereotypical comments more often than the other way around. I must admit that I laugh at a lot of crude, racial, and stereotypical jokes, and Richards' comments had me going for the first few seconds, but like comedian Sinbad said, he was waiting for a punchline, but it never came. There's a line that should never be crossed, and as obnoxious and terrible as the hecklers were, Richards went too far. Sasha ![]() __________________ Sasha | |||
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| I agree with you Sasha, I was laughing for like the first minute, but then he did go too far when he started with "50 years ago...." That was uncalled for. Really though, this whole thing is like watching a train wreck. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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| Why is it that minorities can get away more often with making racial and stereotypical comments? What makes them any better? I know for a fact that if Richards had been a black guy and said horrible things against white people, he wouldn't have gotten in trouble at all. Just look at comedians like Chris Rock, he can say whatever he wants about white people since he is a minority. It's not right. Just because Richards was the instigator doesn't meant the African American audience members get a free pass on what they did. They are just as guilty as Richards is. | |||
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| A comedian is a professional performer who is expected to adhere to at least some modicum of professionalism in the face of criticism and adversity. Even if the comedian or performer is one who relies on sexist and racial stereotypes (for example) to generate laughs, even they know when to pull back because there is a fine line between seeing the humorous aspects of a lot of stereotypes and double standards that exist... And then there is being malicious, racist, sexist and just hateful ala Mel Gibson and his drunken tirade against Jews. This is the difference between what Richards did and what the hecklers did, Jacob. This isn't a black and white issue like you want it to be. There is subtlety to the dynamics of what went on and as a result you have to look at the FACTS very closely before you jump to a hasty conclusion. The hecklers started it, but Richards snapped and launched into a hate-filled and malicious verbal assault on them using hateful, racist pejoratives. It was only then the audience members responded IN-KIND by saying "Cracker" back to him. They did this because I am sure they didn't know if he was being serious and believe it or not, adults do joke around about race even if younger generation think it is "inappropriate". I could give you countless examples from my own life... And I am a non-Caucasian person... But it doesn't bother me because that is life. Deal with it and grow a thicker skin. There is no double standard here, Jacob. Michael Richards snapped and demonstrated he probably should not be performing AT ALL in any capacity any more... At least, in front of a live public audience where he is uncensored and doesn't have to follow a script... Because he apparently can't control himself as a professional, or a human being anymore and that is unacceptable in every conceivable way and this will probably be the end of his waining career, anyway. Instead of just fading into obscurity, he will now be infamous for being a racist until the day he dies. This is the harshest punishment of them all, IMO. | |||
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That's such a lame excuse, imo. I'm a minority, but I don't use racial slurs like that even in jest, because I wouldn't want anyone calling me a wetback ****, so why would I do that to someone else just because some of my ancestors may have been oppressed. I don't feel oppressed! And I've already heard this copout for an excuse on the news by a number of minorities discussing this Richards incident. Please! I must say that I agree with Bill Cosby from years back.But yes, Richards committed a stupid and unforgivable act. It would have been one thing if he was just joking around in the typical crude way comedians do, but he clearly was not. Let's see if he is ever able to truly live this down. Sasha ![]() __________________ Sasha | |||
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Many white comedians use race as part of their humor and nothing is made of it because that again is part of their routine. If its your routine no one really cares because everyone knows what to expect and everyone knows its just a joke. | |||
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| Many comedians use race in their routines, whether they be white, black, Latino, whatever. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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