Lexis

Science told: hands off gay sheep - Sunday Times - Times Online

When ai read this article, I felt a bit drowned in information. There are so many issues wrapped in this research - animal testing, homosexuality as some bio-chemical, medical ethics...

Its interesting that these scientests seem to now know that homosexuality is something that's part of the make up of a gay person. But the idea of using it on humans is so ethically questionable.

Jacob1983

That's cool that scientists want to take the so called "gay" out of sheep. I know this sound totally politically incorrect but I think that would be a great idea for humans. I still believe that being gay is not biological. However, if later in time that it is proven that being gay is biological then I would support scientists wanting to get the gay out of human beings. If gay people had the the "gay" taken out of them then they could live normal non rediculed lives and not have to worry about all the trouble of being gay. I know it sounds mean but then again I've heard a lot of people say "why would I choose to be this way".

Lexis

Uh, isn't homosexuality as a biological reality the point of this article? The scientists are suggesting that one in ten rams are attracted to other rams and by messing with the hormones present in them, it can change them. Remember, this research had basis in economics.

Suggesting that homosexuality should be hormonally changed so as to protect gay people from ridicule is a bit like saying brown eyed people are prettier than blue eyed people therefore those with blue eyes should wear contacts. Shouldn't the focus be on eliminating the prejudice as opposed to conducting medical treatments to reinforce the prejudice?

Jacob1983

It sucks that some people are prejudice against gay people but wouldn't it be a good thing for everyone if humans could have homosexuality removed from them? Then gay people could live their lives without ridicule, guilt, and embarassment. I'm sure that a lot of gay people don't feel guilty or embarassed about their sexual orientation but I bet some do.

TokyoNiGHTS

You know, you often complain about how people accuse you of being homophobic (despite no one really doing it). But the reason you might think that is because of statements like this. That's basically the same agenda homophobes have. Being able to "remove" the homosexuality from people as if its some kind of disease. That's basically what you're calling it.

*Ledi*

Are you serious?!

Since homophobes are the real problem, how about we just make them gay? I bet that sounds ridiculous to you, huh?

By the way, aren't you a Christian? Wouldn't changing a homosexual's body in such a way be against God's rules since it would be "playing" God? I guess you make some expections whenever you feel like it though.

quaist

I'm not him, so I can only speak for myself, but I don't think being Christian means to agree with everything the bible or the pope says. There are many issues which are for everyone on his own to decide.

Hm... I don't know if it's good or bad news, really.

I mean, "getting" homosexuality "out" of a human being could only be the beginning of "getting out" many other things considered unnormal by society. Maybe this sounds ridiculous, but if science really gets to the point where they are easily able to change human genes, hormones etc., why don't change other things like haircolour, colour of the skin...That would just smooth the way for fascist like once Hitler was, but not by killing, by breeding.

But everything depends on how mankind uses it. If it's only used on sheeps to assure the breeding, and they don't suffer from any pain, I'd say okay.

*Ledi*

Oh, I know - but he uses his Christianity to support most of his views, especially when it comes to homosexuality. I have no problem with anyone having their own opinion on a certain topic, however, you can't just pick and choose what to believe because it's hypocritical in a lot of cases. I'm sure I could bring up something completely similiar (like Lexis did) and he would be against it for the same reason I mentioned above.

Either way, what he said is homophobic wheather he admits it or not.

Jacob1983

Are you guys gonna call the ACLU on me or something?

You are going to honestly tell me that society wouldn't be better for gay people if their "gayness" could be removed? Gay people coud live in society with the ridicule and embarassment that they face now. I know that it sucks that some people are prejudice against them but that's just how life is. People suck sometimes when you are different from the majority. It shouldn't be like that but it is.

TokyoNiGHTS

You're again saying that homosexuality is just something you get and that can be cured. It's really amazing what you're saying.

And why is it homosexuals that need to be "fixed" and not the homophobes? They're the problem.

migamoo

Believing that homosexuality can be cured is both ignorant and arrogant. There is nothing wrong with being gay and for someone to say that there is can be hurtful if you're not careful. It doesn't hurt me, but it does make me mad that people can be ignorant to the fact that not everyone chooses to be gay. Yes, some people do, for their own reasons, but the majority of gays the choice is not there. It is something in them, something telling them that they do not feel comfortable or themselves when they are with someone of the different sex.

This whole article is bordering on eugenics which to me is a very uncomfortable subject. To say that in time one can choose what they want in a child or someone they know, and to be able to get that outcome is ethically wrong in my opinion. People and animals are made the way they are through their biology and their environment. If someone wants to do something to raise their child in a good, stable environment, then good for them, but that will only do so much because most of what makes a person in already there before they are born.

*Ledi*

So? How about we work on getting rid of prejudice and discrimination? If we follow your logic, we should turn every coloured person white because they're the minority. That's just ridiculous and I don't know how anyone can even think that way. It's so disturbing.

JohannafromIHJ

"You have been found guilty of gaybashing, Mr Smith, and therefore this court sentences you to live five years as a homosexual. Take him away, boys!"



Jacob, there's a much simpler way for homosexuals to live in society without ridicule and embarassment: stop ridiculing and persecuting them. Although Ledi's suggestion of turning the homophobes gay has it's own appeal, too.

To say that the only way for a certain group to achieve happiness and acceptance in this world is by having themselves biologically altered is pretty damn scary.

Jacob1983

You are right. It would probably be easier if people would just be more accepting and nicer to gay people but we don't live in a world like that. You can try to think we do but we don't. We human beings are imperfect beings. We committ sin, make mistakes, and have flaws.
I would love to live in a world where there is no discrimination or prejudice but you have to realize that not everyone feels that way. Some people are just too stubborn and ignorant.

How am I disturbing?

I'm just saying that if gay people don't wan to be ridiculed, mocked, and embarassed then why not just let scientists try to come up with a way to get the gayness out of them.
That's one problem with some gay people. They don't realize that what they're doing is wrong. I have way more respect for a gay person that will honestly admit that their homosexuality is a sin and a personal struggle. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but it's how I feel. I know I'm not a part of the cool politically correct people like you guys are.

TokyoNiGHTS

Yah you're a homophobe.