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When I decided to stop eating meat altogether, 20 years ago, my mum and I had a long conversation about where I was going to get my protein from.
I'm allergic to nuts, peanuts, soy when it's in high concentrations (as in tofu) and I'm also somewhat lactose intolerant (meaning a slice of cheese won't really affect me, but I couldn't base my diet on dairy products). Back then, alternative options we know today were a bit scarce on the ground. I ate legumes till I developed what I'll call a "psychological" allergy to them, so my mum and I went back to the drawing board. I've been eating fish, sea food and poultry ever since. That's a super long story to say that, I think that as long as the taste is there and the product is a decent source of protein, it can't be too bad an idea. Well, unless it's unfairly cost prohibitive. __________________
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So did you stop eating meat because of ethical beliefs then, Sunny?
I just find it sad that the obvious opportunity to solve this problem -- namely just eating less meat -- hasn't even been tried. Lab-grown meat seems to hold many benefits, I won't question that, it's just that I doubt it'd be necessary. Eating meat one time a week would do the trick for people, too. __________________
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Ethical considerations were a part of it, I suppose. It's a bit of a long story. But, basically, in the span of a week, I started seeing reasons everywhere for going vegetarian. In interviews on TV, in "fiction" shows and in news reports.
It was like being bombarded, really. And, I don't know, it worked. I was a real carnivore back then. I ate meat for snacks. Then, one day to the next, it started grossing me out. So I decided I had to stop. But, like I said, I couldn't stop entirely. Lowering meat consumption would be a good idea, of course, but I think there are two things hindering that idea from taking root. On the one hand, you have the developing world where meat consumption is much lower because, by and large, it's not something most people can afford to have as part of their regular diet. As those regions start to gain wealth, a sign of that is the purchasing power. With things like meat, for instance. The other aspect is that portion control could go a long way to mitigate the problem. And it seems that people who do have access to meat as part of their daily diet aren't necessarily inclined to reduce their portion sizes, which we can tell from the global obesity problem. Obviously, loads of people who have access to meat make the choice to either control their intake, sometimes to the point of going completely vegetarian or vegan. I'm just saying the two points I tried to describe seem (to me) to be the biggest hurdles in reducing global meat consumption. __________________
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You've certainly named two major factors that make lowering our overall meat comsuption to the point where we wouldn't need stuff like lab-grown meat next to impossible.
And I do realize that. It's just one of those topics where I simply can't wrap my brain around the fact that people have the power but lack the will to change things for the better. You know? __________________
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Oh, I do know.
Mind you, I'm as guilty of it as anyone else. Not with meat perhaps, but with things like books, DVDs and clothes. I have way more than I need. I think it's greed. We want everything and we'll take as much as we can reach. Well, okay, not everyone does that. Thank God. But I do find that a lot of people do. __________________
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Greed certainly plays a key role in all this indeed.
But I do find there's a difference between owning many DVDs, clothes etc. and excessive meat consumption. When buying 'too much' clothes, at least you don't directly harm yourself (apart from your wallet, that is). Whereas when buying and eating meat, you do your own health a disservice, foster CO² emissions -- because of the required factory farming -- as well as animal abuse. __________________
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Ah, but it's easy enough for people to dismiss all of that.
First of all, all of the companies who provide meat always fall over themselves to protect their company PR. So, of course, it's easy enough for a person to delude themselves into thinking the meat they're eating wasn't abused. And we all produce emissions. The world is so saturated these days with all the ways in which we're killing the planet. People aren't about to get rid of their cas, why would they deny themselves the steak? Nah. I think people just want to live the way they want to live and they'll find a way to let themselves do that. __________________
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I rather think Facebook is being a really sore loser here, since Shreateh could have let the whole thing go unnoticed. At least he got job offers from the whole thing. __________________
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It's probably not connected to China's massive pollution problem, but it just makes everything seem worse, doesn't it? At first, I didn't really get the big deal. Arsenic, in low quantities, is not a problem. But, duh, if it's the water, then it leads to a far stronger consumption of arsenic over time. __________________
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I think investing in sustainable-development research is the very definition of a sound investment. Of course, the Canadian federal government... seems to have other ideas. __________________
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I sort of assumed this was already going on.
To the point where I didn't realize it wasn't a known thing. I don't know if that makes me paranoid or what. __________________
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I kinda thought so, too.
What shocked me though, was Daniel Domscheit-Berg (the former Wikileaks spokesman) suggesting in an interview a few months ago that smartphones can actually be used as bugs. Hadn't really thought of that possibility before. __________________
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See, the thing is I don't understand anything about smartphones.
So I hadn't thought of them being used as bugs before either. But, at the same time, it's not a shock to me that they may have functions that I didn't know about. Because everything they do is basically beyond me, you know? __________________
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