Rivulet027

So once again we have a new thread.

Here is the lovely link from the last thread. Please let me know if you'd like me to post any other links. Which 'side' you're on doesn't matter...if you have a link that supports your ideas s'cool.

Please remember lets be respectful and have a good debate.

California_ here_ I _come

Superabo:

"But what about when Homo Howard and Gay Gary decide to peck?"

Well, then they kiss. I'm not going to pull them apart or anything.

About Judging:

I just don't see it as judging b/c it relates back to my morals. I'm not just saying I don't want gay people to marry 4 the fun of it. But I do understand where you're coming from w/that notion.

JohannafromIHJ

CHIC, voting about gay marriage is not about voting for or against homosexuality, it is about voting for or against discrimination. I know you don't think homosexuality is right, but I also think you believe in the basic ideals your country was built upon -- including equality. Keeping a certain group from having the same rights as other groups is wrong. You have to stop looking at this from such an emotional perspective and look at the wider picture here. By voting against gay marriage you would be supporting discimination of minority groups, which is not what the USA is about (I hope).

Whether some gay people chose to use their right to marry in a "for the fun of it" way is neither here nor there, is it? No one's trying to ban the Britneys of the world from doing the same. Marriage is a legal union between two people, and it's up to them to honour it in whatever way they see fit.

Amanda, I am still waiting for you to explain why you think I view motherhood as "bondage". I'm extremely curious hear what lead to to that conclusion.

fetch

Mmm, dude, exactly.

And if people are going to hell simply for loving a member of their own sex (or masturbating or eating milk and meat together, etc), then I don't think I'll suffer that much, since there will be cool, NICE people there.

Lovesbitch

That's judging! You moral view is that these peoples love is less vaulable than that of a straight person and they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

You can think that it's morally wrong but by saying that they aren't allowed to get married because of your morals is judgement.

California_ here_ I _come

Well, I just don't see it as judging. I know you want me do, but I don't. Sorry. And I do think you were being sarcastic about hell, but you won't be with cool people. You'll be alone, isolared. Burning forever. Going through pain, forever. It's not something to take lightly. *Shudder*...it's horrible for people that have to expirence that. Sad. I don't want that to happen to anyone.

Lorna

Posted by Rivulet027:

I was really just referring to any non-religious couple that gets married in a church. I object to that more than anything.

Lovesbitch -- You asked if I would have a problem with gay religious people getting married in a church. I hate answering questions like that, because I dont want to offend anyone. But, yes I would. Regardless of what I think about gay people, I believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

Katis

I think it should be up to the individual church. I support gay marriage but I don't support the government forcing churches to marry anyone. Just like religion shouldn't be forcing the government's hand against gay marriage, the government shouldn't be forcing religion's hand to perform these services.

However there are churches where gay marriage would be accepted, and where a gay couple could get married if they wished. So as long as the churches who don't believe in it aren't being forced to participate...again, who cares?

Lovesbitch

I don't believe in Hell cause I find it hard to believe that a God who loves all of us would let us suffer for eternity like that. That's an evil, cruel thing and I would never picture a loving God doing that. We may not be perfect and we may be punished but not in the traditional sense of Hell that you believe in.

Point two, yes I am trying to get you to see that it's judgement. Because it is. I'm not saying you have to stop judging people cause that's your right just accept that what you are doing by wanting to prevent gays from marrying is judging them. End of story.

Rivulet027

Being gay doesn't make me unreligious and I think that when I meet the right woman and I want to spend the rest of my life with her then I should be able to marry her where ever we decide is right for us based on our beliefs. If we're members of a church at that time then yes I'd want to get married in that church. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Lovesbitch

Plus, once again, separation of church and state. Whether you think a person should morally be able to get married or not isn't important. It should be a legal right to everyone.

wanderer78

I agree it should be left to individual religions. If you want to be married in a Catholic church you need to take that up with the Pope, not your senator.

In Fair Verona

That is exactly how I feel. I don't want the government to make people do something against their beliefs, that's not right, but there are churches that are willing and it would be wrong for the government to not allow those places to perform gay marriages. People need to just MYOB on this issue, IMO and leave it up to the parties involved; the gay couple and the church.

That was perfectly stated!

It sounds like you've been to hell and back. There's no proof that there is a heaven or a hell. By the way, how is one "isolared"?

86amanda86

Johanna - Its the way you were being sarcastic and making fun of the idea of wanting to stay home and raise a family. Like a girl should feel bad or wrong or stupid for wanting to support her husband and cook for her kids.

There is nothing wrong with being a homemaker. Some would say its as hard or harder than going out and having a career. Some try to make women feel like they are dumb for wanting to get married, have a bunch of kids and spend their lives taking care of a family.

I could be wrong but your posts suggested to me that you are one of those people.

Lexis

Are we reading the same posts? Johanna has been nothing but eloquent, informative and respectful of others beliefs.