News & Politics - Same Sex Marriage Continued - Page 2

mh67511 · 04-19-2004, 08:05 PM

Well I am against gay marriage. Mainly, I don't want my future children learning in school that it's ok to be gay and that gay marriage is fine. I don't agree with this and don't want the public school teaching things the directly conflict with my beliefs. I believe that homosexuality is a sin and people choose to give in to this sin. I don't hate gay people, nor am I on a crusade to rid the world of gay people. I don't want my children to be told that it is homophobic if you believe that being gay is a sin. You wouldn't want them teaching in school that "Jesus is the only way to heaven" and nor would I because I don't think schools have any place to be teaching stuff like that. That is one of my main concerns.

I find it interesting when Jesus talks about divorce on the Sermon the Mount. He doesn't talk about what a "person divorces a person," a "spouse divorces their spouse," or a "man divorces his huband." He talks about when "one divorces his wife." Cleary Jesus is talking about marriage between a man and a woman. Divorce is the opposite of marriage, so if Jesus felt gay marriage was acceptable, why did he not mention gay divorce.

Also, just becase something is not listed in the 10 Commandments doesn't mean it is not a sin. They are supposed to be the most basic of rules. And remember how they say to "honor thy father and mother"? Not to mention the two most important commandments are not even listed in the 10 Commandments.

I also see lots of talk about 'love.' How does not allowing gay marriage prevent a gay couple from loving each other?

GrhmLz · 04-19-2004, 08:05 PM

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And on another note. I also grew up believing and being taught that God is Love, and therefore God wouldn't have anything against Love. Any kind of Love.

I was taught that God is love too! But God is also a vengeful God! That is why God destroyed the Earth and Noah built the ark under God's guidance. The Earth was swimming in a sinful nature. Now I happen to believe that Revelevations will come to be (not necessarily in my time); however, there are others that do not. I believe that God's vengeful nature will come out again when Revelations plays out.

I believe that there are people that will argue that they feel love when they engage in premarital sex or have adulterous affairs. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe that you are feeling love because God gave us a set of guidelines (laws) that we have to abide by. Homosexuality, fornication, and adultry are all still forms of sexual immoral acts. God loves the sinner and not the sinful act because it goes against the Word.

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bugs8476 · 04-19-2004, 08:13 PM

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Orginally by AirBear:
I never said that being a Christaian meant being perfect, but obviously you don't understand that. Now you do [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. I frankly could not give less of a damn about your own personal sins. What i and others are commenting on is that christians as a whole pick and choose which words fo the Bible to strictly follow. As a christian you are supposed to try to better yourself in god's image, following ALL fo his law. If you believer the Bible is God's word, then you should not so easily dismiss mentions of odd dietary laws and whatnot. That is the hypocrisy we are pointing out. We find it odd that Christians are stuck on the one or two lines about homosexuality that are surrounded by plenty of other laws about sins (Leviticus).

You didn't have to say it, you were implying it....but if I'm wrong please correct me. Never said you had to care about my sins. I was telling you as a christian im not perfect, because you imply certian thing toward me. We don't choose, we are choosing thw words that you don't like, which is about homosexuality. Whcih we are bettering are self, by following the words of jesus. We are not avoided any laws, but simply explaining that homosexualilty is wrong...Which i see your highly offended....i understand though.

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Orginally by AirBear:
Please rewrite those sentences or clarify yourself, what you have there makes no sense.

See i don't have to justify or clarify these sentences because it makes sense, your just not reading the way you want to read it....but hey if you ask me i would skim over it too, if i didn't agree.

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orginally by Airbear:
You're saying religion is the cause of this chaos as if religion is the main problem in this issue. As a Chritain, that's surely not what you mean?

Why Miss "AirBear" you sure like to be wise.....but you are not wise enough...See you need to open those eyes of yours....Religion is the problem, homosexualilty is wrong, as it states in the bible...but u like to look over this.....but chaos will be caused by the descesion of the Gov't, but based upon the values, and laws of God...Get the Pitcure....Probelmly not... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Orginally by AirBear:
Canada, and as another poster mentioned, many place in Europe have both allowed gay marriage. I wouldn't call those places " Small sectors". Both are with out this chaos you write about. What in the world do you bas your theory on?

Canada and Europe may have the law to allow gays to marry, but not every country has the law yet. Europe and canada compared to the whole world is a "small sector", duh.... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img], but anyways, this has just began, and will bring upon chaos in future up comings.

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Orginally by AirBear:

So, homosexuals can't get married because ignorant Christians are going to murder them?

Christians are not the ignorant ones....Homosexualilty on the other hand is...Breaking gods law....well umm..... CHristians are going to Murder, i don't it, im sure there are non-christian people out there who don't believe in gays marrying....This question is just a way to get into someone's head....Didn't work.....I think your the ignorant one for evern asking that question... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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How will the legalization of gay marriage allow the public to go "do what they please"

Legalization of what....Gay Marriages, because one thing leads to another, The public will start doing what they please, whenever they please... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Till Tomorrow...Catch you later....Feel Free to Respond....Later.... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

JULIE......... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/angel.gif[/img] [img]smilies/read.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wave.gif[/img] [img]smilies/argue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/hippie.gif[/img]

bugs8476 · 04-19-2004, 08:59 PM

AirBear? What's an AirBear?

Is AirBear a lost Homosexual Care Bear?

Oh, darn, i guess if the care bears are so full of love and caring, why not?

But, then again they aren't required to follow "Gods Laws" on homosexualilty.

Im just kidding ( you know im just playing around) we need some kind of humor on here. Sorry "AirBear: you just hand had the cutest name, Hope i didn't offend you... [img]smilies/wiggle.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rotfl.gif[/img]

Semmer · 04-19-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by mh67511:
Well I am against gay marriage. Mainly, I don't want my future children learning in school that it's ok to be gay and that gay marriage is fine. I don't agree with this and don't want the public school teaching things the directly conflict with my beliefs. I believe that homosexuality is a sin and people choose to give in to this sin. I don't hate gay people, nor am I on a crusade to rid the world of gay people. I don't want my children to be told that it is homophobic if you believe that being gay is a sin. You wouldn't want them teaching in school that "Jesus is the only way to heaven" and nor would I because I don't think schools have any place to be teaching stuff like that. That is one of my main concerns.

See, the thing is, just because gays would be allowed to marry, doesn't mean it would be taught in a classroom that it is okay. It might be taught that people should respect people's differences, but not saying you have to condone this and it is normal to be this way. Just be respectful. Kind of like how abortion is a touchy subject that deals a lot with a person's views on religion. But just because it is legal, doesn't mean kids are taught in school that it is okay. It is just one of those things that are left up to the person to decide for themselves whether they believe in it or not.

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I find it interesting when Jesus talks about divorce on the Sermon the Mount. He doesn't talk about what a "person divorces a person," a "spouse divorces their spouse," or a "man divorces his huband." He talks about when "one divorces his wife." Cleary Jesus is talking about marriage between a man and a woman. Divorce is the opposite of marriage, so if Jesus felt gay marriage was acceptable, why did he not mention gay divorce.

I always thought that Jesus' main intention when he touched on the subject of divorce was out of the interest of the woman. Men would often just get up and leave their wives, which Jesus had a problem with. So having nothing to do with being straight or gay, he didn't want divorce out of the interest of the woman who were looked down in society.

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I also see lots of talk about 'love.' How does not allowing gay marriage prevent a gay couple from loving each other?

It doesn't. But there are a lot of people who don't believe that homosexuals should love each other that way, marriage or no marriage.

Superabo · 04-19-2004, 09:09 PM

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Christians are not the ignorant ones....Homosexualilty on the other hand is...Breaking gods law....well umm..... CHristians are going to Murder, i don't it, im sure there are non-christian people out there who don't believe in gays marrying....This question is just a way to get into someone's head....Didn't work.....I think your the ignorant one for evern asking that question...

Okay, I'm going to try to understand this post as well as I can ("i don't it"? What does that mean?).

To GrhmLz and bugs8476:
You may believe that homosexuality is breaking God's law, but that is a BELIEF. It doesn't apply in the REAL world, which is secular. The world is NOT run by religion, and this is the issue at hand, here. Gay marriage is inevitable; the government will eventually realize a little thing called seperation of church and state, and realize that marriage is a right for all human beings to have. You can gnash your teeth all you want. If you don't like the fact that gay marriage exists when it happens, then leave the country, and go to a country where it is not law. This country grants humans basic rights, and marriage is one of them.

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by mh67511:
Well I am against gay marriage. Mainly, I don't want my future children learning in school that it's ok to be gay and that gay marriage is fine. I don't agree with this and don't want the public school teaching things the directly conflict with my beliefs.

Last time I checked, you don't even talk about homosexuality in school. I should know, I graduated last year. There were also a lot of other issues we didn't talk about, such as abortion. The words were mentioned yes, but we never talked about "homosexuality being good/bad" or "abortion is good/bad". School systems do not allow this. At least not where I live, but I can't vouch for others. And even if there is a law to legalize same sex marriages, i still don't think it would be talked about in schools. at least taught to the students. now students talking to each other is a different story.

Ashley

Enigma, I.C. · 04-19-2004, 09:22 PM

Infernal Doll

WORD!

bugs8476 · 04-19-2004, 10:00 PM

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Orginally by Timeo:
And the prophet speaks! Wait, is that blasphemy? Am i going to go to hell? Will God judge me? ****,****,***** i'm going to hell. God Damn it.

Being wise.....I speak of what may happen in the future.....As for you using the word blasphemy, aleast use it in the right text....blasphemy means to come out speak agaisnt god.....your just using the word *******, and saying im going to hell...I can't anwser the quetion on if your going to hell....that's not my say.

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...okay, so the reason why gay marriages shouldn't be allowed is because crazy religious Christians will not be able to fathom or understand why gays want to get married, and thus they're going to kill those married people, and thus that's a reason why gays shouldn't marry? I don't know about you, but to me that's a pretty shoddy reason. Sketchy at best.

Gay marragies shouldn't be allowed anyways....But beside the point....We understand why, u think that u guys are of the normal but in reality you are abnormal. As for killing gays, i said some people may not be able to take the fact that are gov't passed this law and it may get out of hand.

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DUDE. Where do you get this stuff? The National Inquirer? [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] Seriously, do you really think that people are so stubborn and so backwards that they will not accept gay marriage and will thus break out into nots and demonstrations? In Canada, 47% of the population SUPPORTS gay marriage. This is right now, and the question isn't do they support gays, it's do they support gay marriage. As the older, less accepting generations die off, they'll be replaced by a younger more liberal generation who probably know someone who is gay; their friend, their next door neighbour, their colleague at school or work. Your "Prophecy" not only probably won't come true, but is so damn similar to that stuff in the National Inquirer that I should go call them up and get them to hier you. Huh.

No. Not quite. My source is more accurate then yours, you know, the "Biblical Times"..,the new and improved version of the bible for the Modern/day youth. This knew and improved version allows youth to reinvent gods word, to make thier own rules, to live in denial, and to push these make believe laws on on real Christians who stick by the true word.

Why not? People are already being stubborn and backwards by trying to push for gay marriage when it is wrong. Riots and demonstrations can definitely happen.

And yeah, that means 53% still don't support it, in canada.

How did did you come to that brillant deduction? (that the question isn't do they support gays, its do they support gay marriage)

You make an assumption that all of the younger generation is liberal. Just because someone knows someone who is gay, doesn't mean they support their lifestyle.

[img]smilies/rotfl.gif[/img] Yeah, let me know when their hiring? That way I can have the front page story when the "prophecy" comes out to be.

This will be my front page headline; "Prophecy comes to be, and National Inquirer knew it all along"

Well catch ya later.....Feel free to respond back

JULIE...... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Enigma, I.C. · 04-19-2004, 10:03 PM

It is a severe violation of protocol to call an entire group of people "abnormal," Julie.

Since it's obvious you have all the "answers" I don't know why we bother to communicate with you. You've given us an ample number of examples as to why religion should not be allowed to infiltrate government, that's for sure.

I'm going to live my life the way I want to. I will not allow your ilk to make me miserable. If that's wrong, then I guess I'll be the happiest person in hell.

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