News & Politics - Same Sex Marriage Continued - Page 14

bugs8476 · 04-27-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Before I begin, let me just say that I'm a christian, who's very secure in my faith.

Well that's very intersting. please stop now before it's to late. contradicting yourself was not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Everyday we break God's Law. I have always been taught that all sins are equal. I have also been taught that all sins are forgivable with the exception of one. That one cardnial sin is not excepting Jesus as your personal Savior, and the reasoning being that it's kind of hard for someone to forgive you if you don't believe they can, or you won't let them.

Sins are not forgivable unless somebody wants to be forgiven, and asks the lord for the forgivenss, but acutally means it. No matter if you don't believe in god or you do, the only way to get that forgiveness is to ask for it. You don't ask, you don't recieve, which means you won't be forgiven.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Yeah, homosexuality is wrong, but so is wearing a shirt that's poly/cotton blend, or not respecting the government or those in it.

Wow...What a comparison. Committing an homosexual act can not compare to wearing a ploy/cotton blend. What? I won't even go there. As for not respecting the gov't or those in it, is not wrong. There is disagreement all over the place, and to disagree with something is not a crime or even wrong. But for being a christian, you should now that homosexuality is wrong, and it does state it in the bible. Com'on you should now that.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

As to you wanting to outcast you child if they turned out to be a homosexual, simply because you"don't want anything to do with something that is wrong and is breaking the words of god."

Yes. This is my personal opinion, and feelings on this subject matter. I don't condone this lifestyle and i never will. My children will know ahead of time that homosexuality is wrong, and it does go agaisnt the kingdom of God.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Then i guess you'll have to become a hermit on some unclaimed island.

No. See, People like you may have to become a hermit on some unclaimed island, because you claim to be a christian, when in reality you don't want to Face the truth about homosexuality. But don't worry I'll Pray for you.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

People sin, we aren't perfect, someone's already pointed this out.

Why as a christian, i think i know that. But homosexuals have a choice to be who they are. Sinning in deed they are, but see Im only here just to preach what is right, not to judge.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Sin is wrong.

Wow...Your kidding. Who doesn't know that.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

And because we aren't perfect, we break the Word of God Everyday.

Nobody is perfect. Even though people may sin, and it may not be everyday. Doesn't mean they don't live up to god everyday.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

Plus, how are you going to spread the word of god to the unchurched if you refuse to have "anything to do with something that is wrong and is breaking the words of god."

For being a christian, you make no sense.

I can spread the word of the lord whenever, and how I please. Homosexuality is wrong, it is the bible, and states it clearly. Preaching about something that is wrong is not doing anything but preaching what god said and what he would want me to say.

[quote]Originally Posted by Brooklyn's Babe:

I think homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals.

You claim to be a christian. Well that says it all.

JULIE...... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

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bugs8476 · 04-27-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Coren:
Maybe this needs done in bold?

WHICH PASSAGES OF THE BIBLE SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE BIBLE IS TRUE?

Still waiting..

1)Figure it out....Its posted all over the thread...Look for it.

2)Because it states that people like you would ask that question.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

JULIE...... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

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migamoo · 04-27-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by bugs8476:

No. See, People like you may have to become a hermit on some unclaimed island, because you claim to be a christian, when in reality you don't want to Face the truth about homosexuality. But don't worry I'll Pray for you.

What you see as truth may not be truth to another though.

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Nobody is perfect. Even though people may sin, and it may not be everyday. Doesn't mean they don't live up to god everyday.

How can someone not sin? We are not perfect like we have said before, and that means we have a sinful nature. THAT right there means we sin everyday.

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For being a christian, you make no sense.

I can spread the word of the lord whenever, and how I please. Homosexuality is wrong, it is the bible, and states it clearly. Preaching about something that is wrong is not doing anything but preaching what god said and what he would want me to say.

See, I think she makes perfect sense. Here's a question for you though, if you think something is wrong, murder for example, are you not going to preach to a murderer?

Ashley

Coren · 04-27-2004, 10:39 PM

Ok.

Ive got this piece of paper.

On it, it says the bible is wrong, and that people will doubt that this is the word of a higher being, but that doubt merely shows its right.

How do you argue with that? That's not proof, that's just fallacious arguement tactics. "you questioning my arguement makes it true" doesn't fly. That's just a cop out for not having any proof.

And as for the passages..when I ask specifically for them, since they're the evidence you claim proves it's true, the least you can do is provide them for me.

Katis · 04-27-2004, 11:33 PM

Ok, so now there are grades of sin? Where exactly does homosexuality rate on this ladder? You know, in comparison to things like rape, murder, child abuse, and the planting of crops next to one another and eating shellfish, etc...

You do realize that your children will not necessarily believe what you believe don't you? In fact they won't believe everything you do because I have never met two people who agreed exactly on everything. Just because my mother might not believe that homosexuality is a natural thing doesn't mean that I do. Just like my uncles' believe homosexuality is wrong to a greater degree than my mom does. There are degrees of belief, as well as differences. You can tell your child all that you want but it remains that you are not the only influence on their life and as they get older they will make choices based on their own morals.

And it really just makes me sad that you would disown your own child for something. Whatever happened to unconditional love? That is just one of the most horrible things I can imagine feeling, knowing that your own mother could not accept you and didn't want you because of something like that.

migamoo · 04-28-2004, 12:00 AM

I was taught that all sin is equal in the eyes of God. I think there's something about that in the bible, and i'm searching for it now.

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2)Because it states that people like you would ask that question.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Please, if you can find it, tell me where it states that in the bible?

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**Nele** · 04-28-2004, 12:53 AM

Hmmm I have to disagree with some points made here [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]
First of, yes I'm a Christian but I don't follow the bible in fact I've never read the bible! Well just the parts about the creation of the earth because we had to do that in our religion class.

I don't think it's right if parents force their opinions upon their children. Yes, if you teach them to be christians I'm sure you'll say to them how wrong homosexuality is but still you don't know how your children will react to that. And saying that if your child turned out to be gay you would see it as an outcast isn't right either. Do you think that this is what God wants? That you just abandon your kid because it thinks differently then you?
What would you like then, that your kid marries a person of the other sex, has children and then after a while just leaves this family because he knows this isn't what he wants? Would you rather see your child unhappy just to please you??

Also our religion teacher said to us that homosexuality is a way of God to stop the world from expanding.

dyxlecis gril · 04-28-2004, 08:06 AM

homosexuality and shellfish are both called abominations in leviticus, right? so why are you allowed to just pick and choose? 'cause according to god, homosexuality is as bad as eating shrimp. and i bet you've eaten at red lobster at least ONCE in your life. and that makes you a hypocrite. hi.

lady, i hope every single one of your kids turn out to be big fat homos. 'cause karma's a bitch.

Lexi A. · 04-28-2004, 11:33 AM

ITA pinx. Health and sex ed courses are supposed to be about educating students and helping them understandings real issues they are going to face in the real world. To shelter them from that is so damaging.

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Originally posted by bugs8476:


It's called "Choice". Supposly u read my post, so why would you ask a question like that. Every one has there own perference of who they are looking for, you choose who your attracted to.
In figure of speaking" I think i did", Its called a choice, the right choice. Thanks for asking.

Yes, I read your post. I asked the question because you made the comment that who you're attracted to is a choice. I wanted to know why you think that to be true. Are you trying to tell me that you did wake up one day and say to yourself 'I will like boys'?

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Originally posted by dyxlecis gril:
homosexuality and shellfish are both called abominations in leviticus, right? so why are you allowed to just pick and choose? 'cause according to god, homosexuality is as bad as eating shrimp. and i bet you've eaten at red lobster at least ONCE in your life. and that makes you a hypocrite. hi.

Thank you for saying that.

bugs8476 · 04-28-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

What you see as truth may not be truth to another though.

Just because people don't see my truth, doesn't mean it isn't the truth. Of course, when your on the other side of the argument, then you would not see my truth, or just don't want to hear about it.

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

How can someone not sin?

They can't.

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

We are not perfect like we have said before, and that means we have sinful nature.

I said that. Your right, and nobody does not sin either. But my point is that you may have sinful nature, but to live up to god and try to avoid being sinnful would be helpful also.

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

THAT right ther means we sin everyday.

Just because you may have a sinnful nature, does not mean that people sin everyday. IF this is how you feel, please explian why..I would like to see your point of view on why you feel this way. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

See, I think she makes perfect sense.

If you say so.

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Originally Posted by Fieryangel:

Here's a question for you though, if you think something is wrong, murder for example, are you not going to preach to a murderer.

Good Qustion.....Lets See.....WEll......Why not. I would preach to murderer just like i am preaching on this thread. Spreading the word of lord is not wrong, I'm not judging, but simply spreading the truth of god. A murder broke one of the ten Commandments "thou shall not kill".

Feel free to respond...Thanks.

JULIE..... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

GrhmLz · 04-28-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Nele:
First of, yes I'm a Christian but I don't follow the bible in fact I've never read the bible!

I was just curious about something here. You say that you are a Christian. However, you don't follow the bible and you have never read the bible? The term "Christian" in the religious text is "to follow in Christ's footsteps." How do you acknowledge Jesus Christ when his story is based off of the New Testament? This confuses me because it is a slightly different claim then from what others have made on the board. Some other people here have said that they are Christian but don't believe the bible is accurate. Is this what you meant?

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Originally posted by Nele:
I don't think it's right if parents force their opinions upon their children.

I don't agree with this implication. The Ten Commandments from the Old Testament contains this commandment:

Honour your father and your mother

Parents have a duty to teach their children what is right. And as a Christian, it would be my duty as a parent to teach my children All of God's laws and commandments and not just the ones that society happens to agree with at a particular moment in time. It is important to instill these morals and values into children. How do you think similar value systems pass on from one generation to the next within a family unit?

The reason I don't agree with your statement here is because it makes a big assumption. It implies that you already know that any children that I may have will want to accept homosexuality and defy the christian teachings. Yes, it can happen but it is not definite.

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Originally posted by Nele:
Yes, if you teach them to be christians I'm sure you'll say to them how wrong homosexuality is but still you don't know how your children will react to that.

Yes, but even if any children that I could have would one day oppose these teachings there would be very little I could do about it? The important point would be that I would have done my duty as a parent before God by teaching them The Word of God. However, they would still have "free will" and would reach an age of "spiritual reasoning" in which they would be held accountable for their own actions before God. But that doesn't mean that I just throw "God's laws" out the window in teaching my children what is right and wrong just because one day one of them might reject it!

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Originally posted by Nele:
And saying that if your child turned out to be gay you would see it as an outcast isn't right either. Do you think that this is what God wants? That you just abandon your kid because it thinks differently then you?

I think what Bugs may have been implying here (and bugs can correct me if she is wrong) is what I am about to say.

You can still love your child and refuse to endorse their lifestyle.

God's message from the bible does say "not to yolk yourself with an unbeliever..." I believe a comparison there states something like "for what good of this could possibly come?...What could Jesus possibly have in common with Belial (Satan)?..." Secondly, the bible stated God's word by saying that there would be division among family. It was said that it would be "brother against brother, sister against sister, father against son, mother against daughter, etc..."

Therefore, having a close relationship in this case would be difficult because I would have to separate my life from theirs. What do I mean by this? First off, if a child of mine chose the "homosexual lifestyle" I would refuse to attend any type of wedding ceremony. It goes against God and I can't be a part of it. That doesn't mean I would hate my child, although the child probably wouldn't see it that way.

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Originally posted by Nele:
What would you like then, that your kid marries a person of the other sex, has children and then after a while just leaves this family because he knows this isn't what he wants? Would you rather see your child unhappy just to please you??

Human beings are born with original sin which dates back to the fall of Adam and Eve. Because we live in the flesh, we are tempted! This doesn't make any sexually immoral act right just because we are tempted to committ them. God's message states that the "one can not give in to the laws of the flesh and still serve the spirit at the same time." God knew that mankind was weak in the flesh. That is why God created marriage, beginning with Adam and Eve, and allowed for sexual relations to be shared between a man and a woman.

My point is that ultimately the child would have free will to do as he/she wanted. It would have very little do with me; however, God's laws still remain his laws.

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Originally posted by Nele:
Also our religion teacher said to us that homosexuality is a way of God to stop the world from expanding.

This is an interesting theory. I must admit that I never heard of this one before. I must of skipped over this one about a million times each time I read about sexual immorality in the bible. I know God said to Adam and Eve "go forth and mulitiply" but I don't remember reading anywhere where God said there was a limit and that he had this whole new plan to halt creation and allow same-gender relationships to reign in the world.

Maybe it's all part of that new "modernized translation." [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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bugs8476 · 04-28-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lexi A.:
[qb]ITA pinx. Health and sex ed courses are supposed to be about educating students and helping them understandings real issues they are going to face in the real world. To shelter them from that is so damaging.[qb]

Brainwashing our children in schools is wrong. To force an issue on them and make them feel its ok, is wrong. Homosexuality is something that is not natural, but simply something that is made by a choice.

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Originally Posted by Lexi A.:

Yes, I read your post. I asked the question because you made the comment that who you're attracted to is a choice. I wanted to know why you think that to be true.

You choose who you want to be with. You just don't develping feeling over one time seeing someone. Being attracted to someone is something you developed on your own. God gave every one "Free Will" which intends to give you a free chocie to. To choose who you are attracted to. So please, if you don't agree with me, please tell me why you don't feel its a choice, i would like to hear your reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Lexi A.:

Are you trying to tell me that you did wake up one day and say to yourself 'I will like boys'?

Well I think I did....Becuase i choose this...Remember you choose who you are attrached to.

Feel free to respond..Enjoy.

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bugs8476 · 04-28-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fieryangel:

Please, if you can find it, tell me where it states that in the bible?

Hey, sure no problem. In the book of Galatians....Under No other gospel...Very interesting, so read it.

JULIE..... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

No1important · 04-28-2004, 03:00 PM

Whose business is it anyways if a same sex people get married or not? Its no one elses business. It is too bad the USA has such a narrow minded president. I am in a hetrosexual marriage and same sex marriage is legal here in Canada and by George the sun still comes up every morning................

Katis · 04-28-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by bugs8476:


Nothing is damaging about brianwashing our children. To force an issue on them and make them feel its ok, is wrong. Homosexuality is something that is not natural, but simply something that is made by a choice.

Wait. What? Ok, now you are saying that it is ok to brainwash kids? How about picking an opinion on this. In one sentence you say it's ok to brainwash them and try to force your beliefs and then in the next you are preaching about free will. Which is it? Do we have free will or should we force other people to think the way we do? If forcing an issue on a child to make them feel it is ok is wrong, how is forcing an issue on a child and making them feel it's wrong, ok?

And I am sure you do sin everyday. I'm sure that you wear clothes that mix materials, or don't do everything your parents say, or do things they would disapprove of. I'm sure you have moments where you are covetous of things other people have, etc. So it might be a good idea to get off the high horse.

Just because you believe it's wrong doesn't mean you have the right to oppress other people because of it. Even if you don't allow them marriage that could just lead to denying them rights about other things, like the issue with the doctors being allowed to deny medical care. It's setting a precident of discrimination which is not acceptable.