News & Politics - Same Sex Marriage Continued

Katis · 04-19-2004, 06:11 PM

Please continue the discussion here.

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 06:12 PM

i guess i'll just repost.

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Originally posted by bugs8476:

1. you will have chaos break out eventully, so what if canada has allowed gay marriage, there may not be choas yet,because its a small sector that allows gay marriages. After you have increased the poplution of the world, by allowing gay marriage, then you will see chaos evolving.

First thing, how is Canada a small sector of the world? Two, how can you increase the population by allowing gay marriage?

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2. Religion is a big thing to some people, but some people can't take it mentally, so if gay marraiges come about, it is agaisnt the word of god....Then you have people killing gay people who are married.

What makes you think that there would be more killings of homosexuals than there are now? And this just doesn't seem like a reason at all. How can someone not "mentally" being able to handle religion kill a homosexual?

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3. There will be less controll in the government, because the public and the world will break out to do what they please

This may seem like a small deal to you, but if you think about the whole picture, it is an effect on the government, and our socitey. Religion will be the cause of this chaos, because the word of god was broken.

How can gay marriage lead to less control in the government? And what makes you think that the world would break out in choas from the United States allowing gay marriage. ANd also, there are a lot of people in the United States, as well as the world who are athiest, that means they don't believe in any god. I don't think they would care if someone thought "the word of god was broken." And I still don't see how allowing gay marriage would spread chaos. Do you have any other reason?

Ashley

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 06:16 PM

also, thought i would repost one of my questions.

Here's a question, if homosexuality was such an "abomination" in the eyes of God, why did he use it as punishment as said in Romans? Why wouldn't it be in the 10 Commandments? Sure, it would make it 11 Commandments, but those are the 10 main laws that God wants all his followers, Jewish and Christian alike to follow. It doesn't seem like God really put much significance on the matter.
Ashley

StellaSlight · 04-19-2004, 06:18 PM

Posted by bugs8674 :

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Reasons Huh, well ok:

1. you will have chaos break out eventully, so what if canada has allowed gay marriage, there may not be choas yet,because its a small sector that allows gay marriages. After you have increased the poplution of the world, by allowing gay marriage, then you will see chaos evolving.

2. Religion is a big thing to some people, but some people can't take it mentally, so if gay marraiges come about, it is agaisnt the word of god....Then you have people killing gay people who are married.

3. There will be less controll in the government, because the public and the world will break out to do what they please

Gee, that's 12 years old talking.

1. Check the posts in the last thread. Europe has already allowed homosexuals to get married. There has been no chaos and even religious people who were against it at first admitted that it harmed no one.
Plus, since two gays can't have children, how can they 'increase' the population of the world? Do I need to explain to you why they can't have children or do you remember your biology classes?

2. If people can't take it mentally, that's a mental institution that they need. And if they start killing people, then it's jail. If everyone has to get to kill the people they don't like or disagree with, I'm sure, no one on this planet would have survived and the posters of this board would be gone first.

3. No they would not. Goverment has to make the law enforced. Remember how controversial certain laws that gave rights to Black people were in the 60's? Lots of people were against it, and yet the government wasn't overthrown. The 'world' would not break out because there's a minority of insane people who would kill or harm gays that are allowed a right. And I thought you guys weren't against homosexuals but 'homosexual acts' (dixit the other poster)?

And excuse me, but if the US can play GI Joe in Iraq and other countries of the world and not keep its people sane over a law, then I don't know what to think of your 'democracy'.

[ 04-19-2004: Message edited StellaSlight ]

AirBear · 04-19-2004, 06:22 PM

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Now being a christian doesn't mean your perfect, but obviously, you don't understand that,... Now do you. Thats OK though....I understand your upset and have to come up with some excuse of how I'm not perfect...Because I'm not.....But your just avoiding the sitution that i was explaining to you.

I never said that being a Christian meant being perfect, but obviously you don't understand that. Now you do [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. I frankly could not give less of a damn about your own personal sins. What I and others are commenting on is that Christians as a whole pick and choose which words of the Bible to strictly follow. As a Christian you are supposed to try to better yourself in God's image, following ALL of his law. If you believe the Bible is God's word, then you should not so easily dismiss mentions of odd dietary laws and whatnot. That is the hypocrisy we are pointing out. We find it odd that Christians are stuck on the one or two lines about homosexuality that are surrounded by plenty of other laws about sins (Leviticus).

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In some way, yes. See you just are trying to prove a point that you can't prove. If religion is gone to cause a country to go in chaos over "Homosexual Marraiges" then is should have to do with legal decisions.

Please rewrite those sentences or clarify yourself, what you have there makes no sense.

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Religion will be the cause of this chaos, because the word of god was broken.

You're saying religion is the cause of this chaos as if religion is the main problem in this issue. As a Christian, that's surely not what you mean?

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1. you will have chaos break out eventully, so what if canada has allowed gay marriage, there may not be choas yet,because its a small sector that allows gay marriages. After you have increased the poplution of the world, by allowing gay marriage, then you will see chaos evolving.

Canada, and as another poster mentioned, many places in Europe have both allowed gay marriage. I wouldn't call those places "small sectors". Both are without this chaos you write about. What in the world do you base your theory on?

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2. Religion is a big thing to some people, but some people can't take it mentally, so if gay marraiges come about, it is agaisnt the word of god....Then you have people killing gay people who are married.

So homosexuals can't get married because ignorant Christians are going to murder them? Oh, the irony.

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3. There will be less controll in the government, because the public and the world will break out to do what they please

How will the legalization of gay marriage allow the public to go "do what they please"?

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Timeo · 04-19-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by bugs8476:
1. you will have chaos break out eventully, so what if canada has allowed gay marriage, there may not be choas yet,because its a small sector that allows gay marriages. After you have increased the poplution of the world, by allowing gay marriage, then you will see chaos evolving.

And the prophet speaks! Wait, is that blasphemy? Am I going to go to hell? Will God judge me? ****, ****, ***** I'm going to hell. God damn it.

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2. Religion is a big thing to some people, but some people can't take it mentally, so if gay marraiges come about, it is agaisnt the word of god....Then you have people killing gay people who are married.

...okay, so the reason why gay marriages shouldn't be allowed is because crazy religious Christians will not be able to fathom or understand why gays want to get married, and thus they're going to kill those married people, and thus that's a reason why gays shouldn't marry? I don't know about you, but to me that's a pretty shoddy reason. Sketchy at best.

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3. There will be less controll in the government, because the public and the world will break out to do what they please

DUDE. Where do you get this stuff? The National Inquirer?! [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] Seriously, do you really think that people are so stubborn and so backwards that they will not accept gay marriage and will thus break out into riots and demonstrations? In Canada, 47% of the population SUPPORTS gay marriage. This is right now, and the question isn't do they support gays, it's do they support gay marriage. As the older, less accepting generations die off, they'll be replaced by a younger more liberal generation who probably know someone who is gay; their friend, their next door neighbour, their colleague at school or work. Your "prophecy" not only probably won't come true, but is so damn similar to that stuff in the National Inquirer that I should go call them up and get them to hire you. Huh.

GrhmLz · 04-19-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Fieryangel:
also, thought i would repost one of my questions.

Here's a question, if homosexuality was such an "abomination" in the eyes of God, why did he use it as punishment as said in Romans? Why wouldn't it be in the 10 Commandments? Sure, it would make it 11 Commandments, but those are the 10 main laws that God wants all his followers, Jewish and Christian alike to follow. It doesn't seem like God really put much significance on the matter.
Ashley

Since we are picking apart the bible here, let me point out that the 10 commandments are from the Old Testament. God gave them to Moses. Just because they are not rementioned in the New Testament, does mean they are no longer God's laws.

There are many of God's laws that don't appear in the original ten commandments. If it were only about the ten commandments, then your argument involving such practices of avoiding the eating of certain meats isn't relevant because it doesn't appear in the ten commandments either. Yet again, another contradiction this thread makes.

God used it has punishment because he handed them over to their sins. The bible verse says that. That is why it was a just punishment because it already was an abomination.

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by GrhmLz:


Since we are picking apart the bible here, let me point out that the 10 commandments are from the Old Testament. God gave them to Moses. Just because they are not rementioned in the New Testament, does mean they are no longer God's laws.

There are many of God's laws that don't appear in the original ten commandments. If it were only about the ten commandments, then your argument involving such practices of avoiding the eating of certain meats isn't relevant because it doesn't appear in the ten commandments either. Yet again, another contradiction this thread makes.

one, did i say that they weren't mentioned in the new testament. i can give you scripture to prove they are. Jesus himself recited them. two, i never said that "it was only about the ten commandments". and i never made an argument about eating certain meats, others have.

bugs8476 · 04-19-2004, 07:03 PM

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orginally by Fieryangel:
First thing, how is Canada a mall sector of the world? Two, how can you increase the population by allowing gay marriage?

As AirBear mentioned, Canda allows "Gay marraiges"....so in figure of speech.....I said" that canada is a small sector, of the world, that allows gay marriages to happen......duh [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img].

If you finished my quote, then u would understand me know wouldn't you....someone else who isn't being honest with writing words i say.... I have to explain now. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

My quote orginally:
"After you increased the poplution of the world, by allowing gay marriage, then you will see chaos evolving"
NO do i need to explain....Most Likly....Well see, if you increase gay marraiges everywhere, then your causing a problem in the world. Eventually you will increase chaos, because of the people who disapprove of this will not like the descision of the law, then they will start acting up. (somebody is always trying to do something stupid :crazy [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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Orginally by Fieryangel:
What makes you think that there would be more killings of homosexuals thatn there are now? And this just doesn't seem like a reason at all. How can someone not "mentally" being able to handle religion, kill a homosexual?

More Explaining.....Because you don't understand....But i don't mind it.

You say there is homosexual being killed today for what they are, I know that is wrong for killing,but if you have homsexuals getting married, thats just gone to increase more anger for people to use as and excuse for killing homosexual. (IM not judging)

If somebody is a "Religous Fanatic," then they won't be able to take it as if it were us, who disagree on two different veiws....If you still don't understand let me know..... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

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Orginally by Fieryangel:
How can gay marriage lead to less control in the gov't? And what makes you think that the world would break out in choas from the united states allowing gay marriage. And also, there are a lot of people in the U.S. as well as the world who are athiest, that means they don't believe in any god. I don't think they would care if someone thought "the word of god was broken." And i still don't sse how allowing gay marriage would spread chaos. Do you have any other reason.

The gov't does what is wants, when it wants right now. But in a couple of years we will soon have, our public society doing what they want...Trust me, one thing leads to another....I know athiest people don't believe in god, but the word of god was broken, means alot to the people who do believe it....Homosexualitiy will spread chaos between laws to religion.....Face it were it the End Times.....But im sure you want me to explian that too huh.....
[img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Well respond back i know you will..... [img]smilies/rotfl.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wiggle.gif[/img]

JULIE...... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

GrhmLz · 04-19-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fieryangel:
one, did i say that they weren't mentioned in the new testament. i can give you scripture to prove they are. Jesus himself recited them.

Oh, I'm sorry let me rephrase myself here. I forgot that this thread isn't really that great at reading in between the lines. That is why the bible doesn't make much sense here. What I was literally saying word for word was "Just because the 10 commandments were not rementioned in the New Testament in the same format as they were in the Old Testament, does not make them irrelevant. The depiction in the Old Testament comes directly from God to Moses, while in the New Testament Jesus speaks of them. I didn't realize this thread took to Jesus as an accurate source of God! I was under the assumption that you would think Jesus to be "Playing God" and being "Judgemental" for preaching the word of God. At least, that's what the rest of us christians get told.

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Originally posted by Fieryangel:
two, i never said that "it was only about the ten commandments". and i never made an argument about eating certain meats, others have.

You asked, "Then why would it not be in the ten commandments"? If you admit to the possiblity that it wasn't only about the ten commandment, then why do you even need to ask? It would just be one of God's laws that do not appear in the ten commandments and it would be accepted as such.

And "YOUR" wasn't refering to you directly. It was used in the general reference as the word "YOU" can be. That is why if you read my last line carefully I stated "Yet another contradiction on this THREAD." I didn't say another contradiction of yours. Next time I'll be more direct so you don't get confused.

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by bugs8476:
As AirBear mentioned, Canda allows "Gay marraiges"....so in figure of speech.....I said" that canada is a small sector, of the world, that allows gay marriages to happen......duh

please do not say "duh" to me. it's disrepectful and rude. and it's not my fault that your writing is barely understandable. this is something you really might want to work on if you want to make a competent argument on this board. And also, it's still not a small sector of the world. As others have said, Canada is not the only country that has allowed gays to be married. You really should learn to read other posts even if they are by others who you disagree with. And before you say something about you are reading my posts, i mean the posts that don't pertain to you specifically.

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The gov't does what is wants, when it wants right now. But in a couple of years we will soon have, our public society doing what they want...Trust me, one thing leads to another....I know athiest people don't believe in god, but the word of god was broken, means alot to the people who do believe it....Homosexualitiy will spread chaos between laws to religion.....Face it were it the End Times.....But im sure you want me to explian that too huh.....

If we live in a democratic society, how can the goverment do what it wants? If it did, the United States would be not a democracy. You really should read up on the term, democracy that is.

And I chose not to comment on anything else, because as stated before, your posts don't make much sense and are hard to understand. Please, can you try to fix this? It might be helpful to close off one thought before going to the next.

Ashley

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 07:25 PM

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Oh, I'm sorry let me rephrase myself here. I forgot that this thread isn't really that great at reading in between the lines. That is why the bible doesn't make much sense here. What I was literally saying word for word was "Just because the 10 commandments were not rementioned in the New Testament in the same format as they were in the Old Testament, does not make them irrelevant. The depiction in the Old Testament comes directly from God to Moses, while in the New Testament Jesus speaks of them. I didn't realize this thread took to Jesus as an accurate source of God! I was under the assumption that you would think Jesus to be "Playing God" and being "Judgemental" for preaching the word of God. At least, that's what the rest of us christians get told.

I am a Christian if you didn't read that in some of my older posts. I believe that Jesus is one form of God, 1/3 of the trinity. Please don't make assumptions because I don't believe homosexuality is wrong.

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You asked, "Then why would it not be in the ten commandments"? If you admit to the possiblity that it wasn't only about the ten commandment, then why do you even need to ask? It would just be one of God's laws that do not appear in the ten commandments and it would be accepted as such

But don't you think that if God really thought that homosexuality was such a horrible thing, it would be one of him mains laws as the ten commandments are?

Ashley

bugs8476 · 04-19-2004, 07:31 PM

[quote] Orginally by StellaSlight:
[b] Gee, that's 12 years old talking.

1. Check the posts in the last thread. Europe has already allowed homosexuals to get married. There has been no chaos and even religious people who were against it at first admitted that it harmed no one.
Plus, since two gays can't have children, how can they "increase" the population of the world? Do i need to explain to you, why they can't have children or do you remember biology class?

2. If people can't take it mentally, that's a mental institution that they need. And if they start killing people, then it's jail. If everyone has to get to kill the people they don't like or disagree with, i'm sure, no one on this planet would have survived and the posters of this board would be gone first.

3. No they would not. Gov't has to make the law enforced. Remember how controversial certain laws that gave rights to black people were in the 60's?Lots of people were against it, and yet the gov't wasn't overthrown. The "world" would not break out because there's a minority of insane people who would kill or harm gays that are allowed a right. and i thought you guys were against homosexuals but "homosexual acts"(dixit the other poster)?

And excuse me, but if the US can play GI Joe in IraQ and other countries of the world and not keep it's peopole sane over a law, then i don't know what to think of your democracy".

Good for euroupe that makes to place i know of now...europe/cananda.....Religious people may have said at the time that it won't harm anybody, but they weren't thinking about the future....but who does....Like to make wise cracks.....I think i knew that two guys/two woman cant' make babies...duh [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img].....and if you read my post right about the population increasin in letting gay marriages happen...duh [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Jail and mental institutions won't happen when the world breaks out in chaos.....You have everybody doing what they want, with no control over any sitution
Never said that it was gone to happen right a way. but pretty soon it may come down to that

A gov't can in force all the laws they want....But if the public starts to go off and do what they want....there will be no control what so ever...(understand)......Back in the 60's they didn't have the technolgy we have today either....so that was a sore exmaple...Homosexuals that commit a act with the same sex is going aganist gods law....thats what i was saying

Since your from france you don't know everything our democracy does, so to use that would be stupid....ecpesailly coming into the end times

JULIE...... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

migamoo · 04-19-2004, 07:39 PM

I really want to know what proof you have that there will be mass chaos if gays were allowed the right to marry in the united states? All of your arguments really fall short.

And just another question, just because Stella is from France, does that mean she doesn't know anything about the US government?

Semmer · 04-19-2004, 07:39 PM

Can I ask a question? And not to be snippy, but I'm just really curious how people opposed to homosexual marriage thinks it will effect them directly? Because I never would force someone to condone something they didn't believe in, but I would ask them to be respectful that it is the choice some people made in life. And if it has no impact on another person's life then it shouldn't be an issue.

And on another note. I also grew up believing and being taught that God is Love, and therefore God wouldn't have anything against Love. Any kind of Love.

[ 04-19-2004: Message edited Semmer ]