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WalkingOnSunshine · 09-03-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Semmer
I don't think they abused the use of 9/11. Most of anything that happened to Bush during his 4 years could be connected to that day. It defined the rest of his years in office, and it's not a surprise that it's brought up. Especially, in New York. I don't think they overused it at all.

I agree completely.

I am currently in the middle of a political science project about current events and the convention(s). We are supposed to use a variety of newspapers to look for our sources and such. So I went to the store yesterday and got USA Today, Washington Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. And as you all know, those sources with the exception of the Washington Times don't really vary that much.

But, I just found it amazing that the big cover picture on the front of the New York Times was the protestor being carried out during Cheney's speech. Front page news - really NY Times? *rolling eyes*

mh67511 · 09-03-2004, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Semmer
I don't think they abused the use of 9/11. Most of anything that happened to Bush during his 4 years could be connected to that day. It defined the rest of his years in office, and it's not a surprise that it's brought up. Especially, in New York. I don't think they overused it at all.

Exactly!

We wouldn't be in Iraq if it were not for 9/11. We would not be participating in a war on terror if it were not for 9/11. Our economy would have not have slumped the way it did if not for 9/11. A huge majority of events and policy during Bush term in office was directly and indirectly related to the 9/11 events.

I also liked the fact that Bush talked a lot about what he could do! THAT is why I like him. Because he WANTS to protect Social Security me and my generation - Kerry must be living in a dream world if he thinks SS is fine. He hasn't proposed ANY changes to it. And I like his proposals for medical savings account, REVISING THE TAX CODE (it's about time!), increased Pell Grants, and the list goes on.

He seemed really energized and strong last night and definitely has my vote after that speech! It turned the door to my bedroom into a "Wall of Bush" LOL! I have newspaper pictures and headlines on it, heh. I am getting very political this year!

JW77 · 09-03-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by mh67511
Exactly!

We wouldn't be in Iraq if it were not for 9/11.

Personally, I don't believe that's true. Now, I'm not going to say it was about oil or anything like that because in my opinion that's absurd, but I do believe there was more to Iraq than WMDs and harboring terrorists.

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We would not be participating in a war on terror if it were not for 9/11.

I don't agree with this point either. America was fighting a war on terror long before September 11th. It just wasn't as important to the media, or american citizens in general, because it wasn't being fought here at home.

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Our economy would have not have slumped the way it did if not for 9/11. A huge majority of events and policy during Bush term in office was directly and indirectly related to the 9/11 events.

Parts of this statement I can agree with. For instance, the economy started its slump at the end of Clinton's last term...people just don't like to acknowledge that. And since the events of September 11th did have a negative effect on the global economy, I don't believe that the policies of any president would've made any more of a difference. Of course, anything is possible, so I guess in the end we really don't know...but I think Bush has done what he believed to be right when it comes to the economy.

mh67511 · 09-03-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by JW77
Personally, I don't believe that's true. Now, I'm not going to say it was about oil or anything like that because in my opinion that's absurd, but I do believe there was more to Iraq than WMDs and harboring terrorists.

I suppose it's possible, but I don't believe it.

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I don't agree with this point either. America was fighting a war on terror long before September 11th. It just wasn't as important to the media, or american citizens in general, because it wasn't being fought here at home.

We were? News to me. If I remember correctly there were Embassy bombings, Oklahoma City bombing, the USS Cole bombing, opportunities to catch Osama, not to mention the Taliban was still in power, so I'm not sure who was fighting this war...

JW77 · 09-04-2004, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by mh67511
I suppose it's possible, but I don't believe it.

Yeah, everyone has their own opinion...that just happens to be mine.

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We were? News to me. If I remember correctly there were Embassy bombings, Oklahoma City bombing, the USS Cole bombing, opportunities to catch Osama, not to mention the Taliban was still in power, so I'm not sure who was fighting this war...

We may not have had thousands of soldiers on the front lines, but the United States has been fighting terrorists for quite a while now. It wasn't as unchecked as you make it sound. Yes, we may have been fighting terrorism with sanctions and other means, including UN resolutions, and no, it may not have been enough, but you can't say that we were doing nothing. Clinton struck terrorist camps in Afghanistan and also the manufacturing plant in Sudan after the embassy bombings. He tried to get bin laden. Maybe he didn't do all that he could have, but even with soldiers on the ground, we still haven't found him.

mh67511 · 09-04-2004, 02:16 PM

Yeah I guess you're right. But you have to admit the war on terror REALLY took after 9/11. Although I am seriously wondering NOW if it was actually terrorists who caused 9/11...after reading about these theories and seeing pictures...it's just insane I don't know what to think anymore.

JW77 · 09-04-2004, 06:30 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean. It definitely received more widespread support after September 11th.

Anyway, as far as your conspiracy concerns...I think it's definitely okay to question things. I mean, I personally believe that it's our duty as citizens to question everything that our government does, and also everything that our government tells us. Especially in matters such as these.

Now, having said that, I don't believe that there was a conspiracy. I just haven't seen enough proof to lead me to believe anything different from what we've been told.

WalkingOnSunshine · 09-05-2004, 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by JW77
Now, having said that, I don't believe that there was a conspiracy. I just haven't seen enough proof to lead me to believe anything different from what we've been told.

That is true this whole conspiracy theory that is batting around is confusing me. I mean understand the reasoning behind conspiracy theories - question the facts but still. I cannot really word it - as you all can tell lol but it just bothers me.

I am anxious to see what the polls show at the beginning of the week for Bush. I really think there is going to be a bigger and bigger gain for him now.

mh67511 · 09-05-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by JW77
Now, having said that, I don't believe that there was a conspiracy. I just haven't seen enough proof to lead me to believe anything different from what we've been told.

You know the more I think about it, the more I agree with you. It's just too far-fetched. Pretty much anything the government does, someone is going to think it's a conspiracy.

I love the fact that people that people think those who have little money or no jobs are crazy for voting Republican. I will never put my financial trust in a human leader...I trust God to provide for my needs and he has in the past and continues to, so no worries on my part! But that's just me and what I choose to do.

Anyways I don't see what is so horrible about Republican economic ideas:

http://www.gop.com/GOPAgenda/AgendaPage.aspx?id=2

WalkingOnSunshine · 09-06-2004, 12:18 AM

I read about this website in the Washington Times and decided to have a look at it. It is an online site/store literally dedicated to Kerry's flip flops.

Meaning:

Website - www.campaigncollectibles.com

Still deciding if I need a pair or a shirt from them.

mh67511 · 09-06-2004, 12:45 AM

Those are great!

Semmer · 09-06-2004, 06:12 PM

I need to get a pair of those.

Lexis · 09-06-2004, 10:37 PM

Hi. I'm a new visitor to this board, just wanting to come in and check out that thread. I'm a liberal but I really love hearing the other points of view so thought I'd come and visit you guys.

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Originally posted by mh67511
Exactly!

We wouldn't be in Iraq if it were not for 9/11.

I was just looking for some clarification - would America not have gone into Iraq if 9/11 had never happenned? Surely if Iraq was a threat, action would have been taken. Or do you feel that the mood of the American people was changed (quite understandably) enough for a war to be supported by large sections of society?

Or something completely different that I'm totally missing? : )

mh67511 · 09-06-2004, 10:58 PM

I still believe that the major catalyst for going into Iraq was 9/11.

We went into there mainly because we believed that Saddam was capabale of making WMD's and could supply them to terrorists. Before 9/11 I don't think MOST Americans thought about WMD's or even knew what that meant before 9/11.

I don't believe there were any ulterior motives other than safety, because I have yet to see anything we have gained other than a safer world (which of course some people will debate).

Katis · 09-06-2004, 11:52 PM

I love the flip flops.

You know, I can't believe I forgot to mention this, but Kerry actually went to the town where my mom lives, which is like a place of about 10,000 people in Southern Wisconsin. Only like 100 people showed up to see him and some of them had Bush/Cheney signs. My mom said she wanted to walk up to him, shake his hand, and say "I hope that all the luck of my family is with you."

In case you didn't know the sarcasm, not knowing my mom or my family, we are extremely, extremely unlucky. As in death, accidents, major natural distasters kind of unlucky.

Would have been fun to see if it worked though

She said he was weird looking, and had the charisma of a river rock.