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86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 06:37 PM

is neocon always derogatory term or only when its used by someone who doesn't like neocons? sorry, I'm new to this.

as to what you said about the party leaders leaning more right. I guess I don't see what you point is. sorry, I guess I see no difference because my personal views have never changed at all. I don't think most peoples views are influenced by their party leaders views. I think of it as more that they just happen to share a lot of the same views. I don't see what the leadership of the party has to do with the belief of the indevidual. I don't know, maybe I missed your whole point. was that what you were talking about?

I think the problem that you ran into with you innitial post is that you overgeneralized and assigned beliefs to some who may not agree with the people you said they MUST as a republican, concure with. I personally agree with those people. The only thing I had a problem with was that when you were talking about those beliefs, you were making them bad or wrong, like I should be ashamed of having them. I'm not okay with that. I have a good heart, I just want to do my best everyday to serve other people and do what's right. And I know you are the same. having different views doen't have to be bad. i creates diversity, which is good. I just feel hurt when you barge in and say I am a bad person because I am a repulican, which is what I felt like you were saying. sarcasm and insinuations are not the way to be heard, and I'll be the first to admit that I've been an offender more than once, but its not healthy communication. I'm trying to do better.

86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 06:42 PM

most people would want to agree with the leaders of their party.
Legislatively yes. but other than that, i don't care what the leaders believe. tomarrow, if kerry was the leader, I would still be a republican because I believe what I believe and in what the party stands for. and the party stands for certain beliefs not for the people who lead it.

Hobbesian · 10-09-2004, 06:53 PM

Amanda, part of the reason you don't see the difference is that you are a hard-Republican -- ie. you are a far right Republican. To you, these differences are hard to see, for a moderate Republican there is a great change under way. Many articles, books, documentaries et al have been produced on the subject of the "conquest" of the Republican party by the far right. Beyond that, I think you might be too young to remember what the party was like in 1993 -- you were what, seven then?

And Amanda, about agreeing with your leader notice that I said "of their party". Sure, I'm still a Democrat when Bush is President, but if Zell Miller was the leader of the Party (say Senate Leader or god forbid Presidential nominee) I would have a hard time calling myself a Democrat.

As for whether or neocon is a derogatory term, it's like liberal. When a Republican uses the term it's not derogatory. When a Democrat does, it most certainly is.

mh67511 · 10-09-2004, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hobbesian
Another hard Republican...

What do you mean hard Republican?

BTW - what does GOP stand for! LOL I hear it all the time and NEVER know what it means!

Hobbesian · 10-09-2004, 07:20 PM

A Hard supporter is one who won't change his mind, a soft supporter is one who might change their mind. So a hard republican is one who would never change to a Democrat. Generally, a Republican is a Hard Republican if they base their support on Religion.

The GOP stands for the Grand Old Party.

Must say, it is a little frightening how ignorant young people are about politics -- on both sides of the spectrum. Really concerning, it breeds fanaticism, choosing your political allegience based solely on a small number of ideals where you have strong beliefs without knowing anything about other matters. We have Democrats hating Bush because he's anti-abortion and Republicans loving him because he is a religious fundementalist and basis his policy on that fact. The issues are far more complicated than that, and when people break the issues down to that it is a very unhealthy fact for our nation.

86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 07:37 PM

Yuo're puting words in our mouths again. I don't support bush based on his religion.

Hobbesian · 10-09-2004, 07:51 PM

You support him based on ideals which are based on religion. It's the same thing.

86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 07:54 PM

no, I support the republican party based on my religious beliefs, I support Bush because I think he is a strong leader.

Hobbesian · 10-09-2004, 08:04 PM

Amanda, it's the same thing. Fine, you support the Republicans because of religion and Bush because he's a strong leader. For crying out loud, you keep persistantly trying to pick and pick and pick at the most meaningless issues. Who cares?

86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 08:07 PM

I care! Little things matter! They are not the same thing. I would support bush no matter what religion he was a part of.

Hobbesian · 10-09-2004, 08:51 PM

So if Bush was agnostic and his political beliefs were centered on his religious beliefs (as they are now) you would still support him? Because in that case he wouldn't care about gay marriage, he wouldn't care about abortion and he wouldn't care about stem cells. All of Bush's positions you appear to like are based on his religious beliefs.

86amanda86 · 10-09-2004, 08:58 PM

WHat I'm saying is that, yes, I agree with most of his religious beliefs but its not like i sat down and filled out a list of pro's and cons that said...

PRO CON

Hes white he's short
he's fat he's balding
he christian

you know?

I'm not voting for him because he's catholic, I'm voting for him because he's a republican.

Katis · 10-09-2004, 09:21 PM

Hobbesian, I know that you are new on the board and am assuming that you don't know the rules; however, you are not allowed to come onto the Republican (or Democrat) thread and start fights, or debates. These threads are places where posters come to avoid being antagonized about their beliefs. They're like shipper threads. So please refrain from posting on this thread in the future unless you are doing it in a friendly and non-confrontational manner.

WalkingOnSunshine · 10-10-2004, 03:24 AM

I received this e-mail joke a few weeks ago and thought it was too cute not to share.

One sunny day in 2005, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he'd been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in and meet with President Kerry." The marine replied, "Sir, Mr. Kerry is not President and doesn't reside here. The old man said, "Okay," and walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same marine, "I would like to go in and meet with President Kerry." The marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Kerry is not president and doesn't reside here."

The man thanked him again and walked away. The third day the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same marine, saying, "I would like to go in and meet with President Kerry."

The marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to
speak to Mr. Kerry. I've told you already that Mr. Kerry is not the
President and doesn't reside here. Don't you understand?"

The old man answered, "Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it!"
The marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow, sir."

relaxi_cab · 10-10-2004, 09:26 AM

haha, how funny

You know what, when Kerry is president, I will go to the white house and ask for Bush. I will love heraing that then!