News & Politics - The Rape of Nanjing - The Other Holocaust

Bill bobidy · 04-21-2004, 12:21 PM

http://www.ratatak.com/modules/news/...php?storyid=52

In short it is one of the articles which put me onto just how Japan acted towards non-whites during the war.

Some pretty graphic stuff if I remember right and not sure if it's cool to post but there are a number of different reports on the web about this incident.

Not really the best source IMO but still pretty much correct in the slaughter of many folks including how the soldiers tossed babies onto fire for amusement.

Thing here is how it has virtually no coverage compared to the holocaust in Germany at the same time but is just as bad if in the treatment of people, be it from testing humans on the surgery table while they were still alive or whatever.

PS-if it's not suitable for here I'll find another site.

http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NM.html

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It must be reminded that contrary to Germany the Japanese government has never made any formal or official apology to the Chinese people for their crimes committed during the war.

This seems a tad off to say the least.

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Many Japanese are convinced themselves that the massive killings in the Nanjing Massacre were because the Japanese Imperial Army was "afraid". They were so "afraid" that they tied up their victim before bayoneting him. Be serious. They were so proud of the killing and enjoyed watching it so much.

The first three photos (supplied by Zhirong. Thanks.) are not about the Massacre but taken in Xuzhou a few months later. They were put here to show that the Japanese soldiers were so proud about the killing because the photos were sent back to Japan as postcards.

I'll not post a link but can provide one through PM.

They show people being stabbed by soldiers with bayonets. They are taken from

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Hora Tomio's book The Great Nanjing Massacre and the Kill All, Loot All, Burn All War. They are stamped by the military censors: "Not Allowed" to be published

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CrabbyCancer69 · 04-21-2004, 01:32 PM

Someone I know really likes this book, but I thought it was Nanking? Maybe Im thinking of something else [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]

Bill bobidy · 04-21-2004, 01:48 PM

I did a search on this after I posted it to get a bit more info.

I saw Nanjing most times but did read one site which used the Nanking spelling. City is still standing though. I'll try to find my atlas and sort it.

I thought it had just been folks from the East but some Americans were used as experiments as well.

Uk folks and I guess any of the allies where fair game.

Unit 731 which was set up to test things like how virusses acted on humans were every bit as bad as those putting the Jewish to death in concentration camps.

Many of them got away with murder and are still out there.

Sure they are old now but they should be tried as the scum they are.

Enigma, I.C. · 04-21-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by CrabbyCancer69:
Someone I know really likes this book, but I thought it was Nanking?

Nanking and Nanjing are the same place. It's the city's name rendered through two different Romanization methods. "Nanking" is from the older Wade-Giles system and "Nanjing" from the Pinyin system.

Maresa · 04-21-2004, 05:55 PM

What's the name of the book?

Little Tiger · 04-21-2004, 06:10 PM

I know that Iris Chang wrote a book about the Rape of Nanking. She also just released a new book about the Chinese American History...It's so good!! I [img]smilies/love.gif[/img] Chinese American History!!!

AuburnGrad · 04-21-2004, 06:38 PM

It has always amazed me how so many people are not familiar with the Rape of Nanking, but I'm a history teacher. When it comes to math or science, I'm just as ignorant.

As you stated, many of the same atrocities that took place in the concentration camps during the Jewish Holocaust also took place in China. While there really is no way of knowing the exact numbers, reportedly 300,000 lives were brutally ended, and 20,000 women and children (elderly and toddlers) were savagely raped and most were viciously murdered afterward. Over ten million Chinese were murdered in all during Japan's occupation of China.

While Nazi leaders were punished for their crimes, not many of Japan's leaders were (if any? I can't remember.). There are revisionists who believe the horrific genocide never took place (as there are for the Jewish Holocaust). In the late 90s, Japan's leader expressed "deep remorse", but Japan has never formally apologized.

I assume the book referred to is "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang...???

*Lauren · 04-21-2004, 06:55 PM

They condocuted experiments on all captured soldiers, including Americans, British, Australians, New Zealanders and so on.

I do have to ask. What does a history topic have to do with a News and Politics board? I know we can deal with history when talking about other subjects, but it comes up from current events. This ins't.

Avatar · 04-22-2004, 03:11 AM

"Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it". Since there's no real history board at FF (there should be), where else would this fit? And personally, I'd rather see threads like this than threads about Barbie and Ken splitting up.

Back to the story - I always knew the Japanese were horrible, but I didn't really know the extent. I need to read the book. Still don't think it justifies the use of the bomb, considering that Japan was on the verge of surrendering at the time, however. And definately not two bombs.

AuburnGrad · 04-22-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by *Lauren:
I do have to ask. What does a history topic have to do with a News and Politics board?

I would consider this topic not only a historical one but also extremely political.

I would love a history board.

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*Lauren · 04-22-2004, 08:48 PM

I would love a history board too.

**In Fair Verona** · 04-23-2004, 10:49 AM

I'm such a nerd, I would love a history board too. Is there a request thread for one, there should be?

It always shocks me how many people don't know about this. I remember being so shocked when I found out. I mean, you know about the holocaust before you even learn about it in school, because people talk about it, or it's in books you read. But I found out about Nanjing in 7th grade when we had a Holocaust project and I stmbled upon it in my research. I was shocked, because I said no idea.

We just covered a little bit of it in World History yesterday, I'm in the 10th grade now. I was so happy that my teacher went on to explain that, because it wasn't even in our reading assignment in the book. But a lot of people heard it for the first time.

***Jerry D*** · 04-24-2004, 03:21 PM

The atrocities that the Japanese committed in World War II most definitely matched the atrocities that the Germans committed, and the Rape of Nanking is a prime example of this, but it seems like the crimes of the Japanese were largely glossed over or ignored, and I�ll never understand why. I attribute a lot of this to the prejudiced Euro-Centric or White-Centric view of many historians, and I hope that this gets corrected some day. The Japanese were every bit as brutal as the Germans, and their treatment of prisoners of war was atrocious, but they never got nearly the amount of world condemnation that the Nazi�s got.

Anabela · 04-26-2004, 04:43 AM

Bill bobidy: Thanks for all this info.

I would also vote for an History board.

Headhunter · 04-26-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Avatar:
"Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it". Since there's no real history board at FF (there should be), where else would this fit? And personally, I'd rather see threads like this than threads about Barbie and Ken splitting up.

Absolutely.

There are other Holocaust-level events of mass human murder and inhuman treatment, that will never be given the appropriate awareness.

Every elderly Chinese person I've met (and often, middle age as well) hold a deeply rooted hatred for the Japanese people/nation. Fair or not, it's not forgotten in the minds and hearts of many; it's just not given the publicity and concern that it should have.

BTW, for anyone who has checked my profile, they will notice the # "731" is part of my e-mail address. It was very alarming a few years ago when someone asked me if I supported what happened at Nanjing, and I had no idea what he meant; I had picked the # without any awareness about what it represented. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] It actually has an entirely different set of meanings to me, which I've had to explain to antsy or inadvertantly offended people...