ceilirose

Is the surge working? Yes or no?

Another "Bushism" that is desitined to become a classic -

VOA News - After Bush Remark, Mandela Foundation Says Former President Still Alive

migamoo

Yes or no? No.

Also, what was he trying for with that comment?

ceilirose

I don't know. I was trying to think if there was a sect/tribe in Iraq that had a name similiar to Mandela. Maybe that was it?

Just another bizarre moment in his Presidency.

Raonaild

I'm certainly not one to defend Bush, but I've read more of this speech, and he wasn't trying to say that the actual Mandela was dead - he was trying to say that there was no one with the qualities of a leader like Mandela left in Iraq, because Saddam had killed people like that.

Jacob1983

Fieryangel, how do you know that the surge is not working? Are you too full of pride to even admit that it's possible that there could be success with the surge in iraq? Have you been over there in Iraq to check out how things are going? Or are you relying on the hardcore liberal media to tell you what to think? Are you going to tell me that General Petraeus doesn't know what he's talking about and that he's lying about his numbers? Are you going to say that you know more about what's going on in Iraq than a decorated general who has experience and expertise on the matter?

ceilirose

Right..it was his press conference and not a speech written by his staff. He just isn't a good speaker. It was a really vague analogy - one which didn't make much sense when he said it.

elisheva

Yeah...I think it's pretty clear that that's what he was trying to get across, even if it came out a little fuzzy.

Jacob1983

I will be glad when Bush is done being president because that means all the haters and bashers will have to move on with their lives and fine something else to whine and complain about. I just get tired of all the Bush bashing and hating. I mean I get it alright. You hate the man and think he's the worst president ever. Hating and bashing the guy isn't going to make the time go by any faster and it surely isn't going to get him out of office any sooner. Have any other material besides Bush bashing and hating?


The next president better not receive a free pass on criticism. If the next president sucks, I hope that people are just as hard as him/her as they were on Bush.

ceilirose

Right - all of us "Bush haters" will give up our right to free speech and to criticize because your "tired" of it. Gee..you'd think we live in America or something where your right to criticize elected officials is protected. How very naive of me.

I don't really care that what he said was not clear. The man is a joke when he has to speak without a written speech. As an American it just adds to the embarrasment of him being in the highest elected office in the land. Honestly at this point I really don't care whether those who support him don't want to hear it. I listen to tons of things each day that I don't want to hear - I just deal with it.

Jacob1983

I never said that people had to be literally forced to be silent about their criticism of Bush. I just don't see why people complain and whine about Bush 24/7.

Is bashing and criticizing Bush really going to fix anything? Be honest, is it going to get the troops home from Iraq? Is it going to stop global warming? Is it going to fix illegal immigration? It's not going to solve anything. It's a waste of time in my opinion.

You can talk crap about Bush if you want but at the end of the day, the problems in America and around the world are still gonna be there. You aren't going to solve or fix anything by bashing Bush. It gets old and tiresome. It also shows how people can be unoriginal.

My challenge to all of the Bush haters and bashers is: can you honestly say anything positive or constructive about him and can you name one thing that you think he's done that has been positive or successful? Or are you too consumed by your hatred and disgust of Bush that you can't?

Celirose, you're a little late on bashing the way Bush speaks. Get new material.

The title of this thread should be "President George W. Bush- Anti-appreciation thread".

ceilirose

Do you have any idea how many times you've asked this question and how many times it's been answered by me and others?

But you know what? Repeat the same things over and over again. It's not going to make me stop saying what I think.

I'll say whatever I want on this board as long as it's within the rules of FF.

Then by all means start a thread where you can praise him. Resurrect the Republican thread. What are you waiting for?

Jacob1983

Celirose, you need to get over your hatred of Bush and me. I'm not going anywhere. You need to realize that not everyone in the news and politics board is on the Bush bashing and hating bandwagon. The Republican thread is pretty much useless in a heavily liberal and Democratic board. Why would I post on a thread in which no one else would post on?
And aren't you being judgmental when you condemn me for making judgments? Oh let me guess, you're goint to tell me that you've never made a snap judgment in your entire life right? Please, that's bullcrap. Everyone makes judgments in their lives. They may not be that vocal about them but they still make them. At least I'm not afraid to make a snap judgment.
You also made a judgment about Bush supporters. You're coming off as if Bush supporters always praise the man and worship him. But honestly, how do you know that for sure?


There's no sense in having a thread about Bush because we all know that most posters will just be extremely negative and critical of him. I honestly think that it would make you posters physically sick at your stomach to say something nice or positive about Bush. That's how bad your hatred of him is.

flagpolesitta43

Anyway...anyone see the speech he made about the budget? I can't believe he has the nerve to say anything about too much spending. Has the man ever vetoed a spending bill? I don't know why I even bother listening to anything he has to say anymore, it just ends up infuriating me.

ceilirose

If I have what you call a "hatred" of Bush then I'll get over it or not get over it when I please. Don't tell me what I should do.

As for you - if you think I hate someone in the virtual world then you need a reality check.

Neither am I. If I feel that Bush is doing something idiotic I'll say so.

Gee really? In fact right before the '04 elections and prior to that the Republican thread was booming. But it's much easier to be a victim then do something pro-active, isn't it?

Of course I have and I'm had to deal with the consequences. It's called life experience Jacob. You know..learning from your mistakes and not making them again. Ever heard of that? And no - I'm not condeming you. For one post can you just cut the victim crap?

Well pat yourself on the back and don't look now - it may come back to bite you on the rear end.

Oh I probably did - you do too. Everyone does. Can you talk about what the man does besides reveling in your victim status as a Bush supporter?

No - it's just easier for you to bitch and moan about what a raw deal you're getting on this board. I got it.

flagpolesitta43 - I know..it's just crazy. Billions of dollars go to Iraq and are unaccounted for and he and Congress are fighting over increasing health care for children in the poverty level. It's crazy stuff going on.

This week I'm sure that there will be plenty of stories - he's in NYC to give his annual speech at the UN>

elisheva

Let's please keep the thread calm and not get personal, guys.

What does everyone think about the budget speech flagpolesitta43 brought up?