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| Obsessed Fan  Joined: Jul 2000
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| President Bush Social Security Plan Calculator __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| Still support the Bush social security plan? __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Extreme Fan Joined: Feb 2001
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| I think the administration needs to come up with a plan that Bush can actually explain before anyone can truly support it. Thanks for the link though. __________________ quaeque ipse miserrima vidi et quorum pars magna fui (All these terrible things I saw, a great part of which I was) - Virgil, The Aeneid | |||
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| Addicted Fan  Joined: May 2001
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| If that thing is true, my parents will lose about 8% of their ss payments (not much), whereas I will lose thirty seven percent. THAT is scary. | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| I would lose about 29% of my benefits. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Passionate Fan  Joined: Dec 2001
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| My perspective is really changing a lot. I just feel like the Republican views don't agree with mine as much as I thought. Just thinking about Bush's social security plan, I realized how it's just not a good idea. Social Security is not about making anyone rich, so that they can live a high life after they retire. Social security is about SECURITY. It's INSURANCE. It's in place so that if you live past 65 or 70 (whatever the age is) then the government will provide you with money. It's so that if you DO lose your pension, you aren't left with nothing. It's so that if you AREN'T able to set aside a lot of money during your life (and let's be honest, how many people are really able to set aside anything considerable), you aren't left with nothing. I do think something should be done (eliminating the payroll cap) but this is not something we should start. Never thought I would change my mind on this but hearing some things when I was at home this past weekend really got me thinking. | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| Wow, I'm proud of you, bro. You explained it well. The Bush plan greatly cuts benefits and adds around $2 trillion to our national deficit over the next 10 years. Why would anyone support it? __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| Wow, finally some honesty from our President. Let's hope he keeps it up: President Bush said on Wednesday he would not send Congress a specific plan to change Social Security because it would be "dead on arrival" and admitted his idea of personal accounts would not fix the retirement system. Bush Says Won't Offer Specifics on Social Security __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Extreme Fan Joined: Feb 2001
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| It's good that he finally made an open statement about that. I know that was one of the big issues people had with his plan. Anyway, I can kind of agree with this part... Bush suggested that laying out his own proposal on Social Security would be counterproductive to trying to hammer out a bill that would attract Democrats as well as Republicans. __________________ quaeque ipse miserrima vidi et quorum pars magna fui (All these terrible things I saw, a great part of which I was) - Virgil, The Aeneid | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| It really bothers me that Bush and his supporters in the Senate (Santorum, etc.) have been trying to deceive the American public the last few months on his Social Security plan. I am so sick of the dishonesty of the American government. Some people gave me flack on here for calling it a "scam to cut benefits", but I was right. The plan didn't solve the problem, all it did was cut benefits, add more to the national debt, and help line the pockets of the Wall St. brokers and corporate CEOs. Truly a bad idea from the start. Shame on the media for calling Democrats "obstructionists". Thank god the Democrats had the guts to stand up to a plan that would've gutted social security and put many retirees at risk for poverty. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Addicted Fan Joined: Aug 2001
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| I think it's more like Bush is trying to save face or some of his political capital. They (Bush Administration) really kind of fell flat on their face with this privitization program. It's been a known fact since the State of the Union address that it did nothing to save SS but everyone acted like it did. Hopefully he can end his 60 city tour and stop wasting taxpayer's money on something that's unlikely to even pass. To help save SS I think they need to look at raising the salary cap on how much you pay and even rolling back some of the tax cuts. I think Senators Kerry and Dodd said that even if you roll back the tax cuts of the very wealthy by 1/3 you can save or fund it adequately. It will be hard choices for some in any event but I don't know how you're going to get around it. __________________ The Committee To Re-elect President Obama: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul Last edited by ceilirose; 03-16-2005 at 05:40 PM. | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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That would be my top choice. Roll back 1/3 or 1/2 of the Bush tax cuts of the nation's very wealthy and fund Social Security well into the future. Also they should institute a policy that the Social Security proceeds can't be used to fund other programs, they must be kept in a "lockbox". __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Extreme Fan Joined: Feb 2001
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In my opinion, it was a horrible move to push his idea so hard without being completely open and honest about it...even with the political capital he thought he had. Quote:
__________________ quaeque ipse miserrima vidi et quorum pars magna fui (All these terrible things I saw, a great part of which I was) - Virgil, The Aeneid | |||
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| Obsessed Fan Joined: Jul 2000
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| JW, it seems like you agree with the Democrats on the majority of economic issues. So I'm guessing that economic issues are not one of your top priorities when it comes time to vote and that's why you vote Republican? For me, economic and health care issues have always been my top priority, which is why I have almost always voted Democrat. __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders | |||
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| Passionate Fan Joined: Dec 2001
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| It seems to me like the easiest thing to do would be to raise the payroll cap or eliminate it all together. I also agree that we should cut out some of these tax cuts and breaks for the rich. I wonder how many wealthy people actually pay 33% of their gross income in taxes? Do they set caps on things like that charitable deductions and deductions you can take on business expenses? My dad is a pastor and my family lives in a parsonage. He said that technically, the new furniture they bought last year, could be deducted as some sort of expenses, since the church owns the house. Now he didn't deduct them and I'm glad. That's totally ridiculous and wrong. It shouldn't even be allowed! I wish they would just lower the percentages a bit and cut out all the deductions. That way instead of paying 20% on your AGI, just pay 16% or whatever on your gross. And if someone had kids, let them deduct 1% for each kid. That would be so much easier. But then again I am going into accounting and that would probably screw up the field,  . So as long as we keep it complicated, there will be jobs available  | |||
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