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| Pope John Paul II dies at 84 Pope Said Conscious, in Grave Condition 1 hour, 48 minutes ago World - AP By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II suffered heart failure and is in "very grave" condition, the Vatican said Friday, but it said he was lucid and spent the morning celebrating Mass and receiving top aides, asking one to read him the biblical account of Christ's crucifixion and burial. Spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls choked up with tears as he told reporters about the pope's worsening condition. He said the 84-year-old pontiff had been "informed of the gravity of his situation" and decided to remain in his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square, where thousands of pilgrims gathered to pray for him. John Paul participated in Mass and received some top aides Friday morning, Navarro-Valls said. "The pope is still lucid, fully conscious and extraordinarily serene," Navarro-Valls said. He said the pope had unstable blood pressure and remained in "very grave" condition. Among the top church officials who gathered at his bedside was Archbishop Paolo Sardi, the Vatican vice chamberlain who runs the Holy See between the death of a pope and the election of a new one. Thousands stood vigil on the square outside, many tearfully gazing up at his third-floor window, and millions more around the world paused to pray for him. In Wadowice, Poland, people left school and work early and headed to church to pray for their native son. "I want him to hold on, but it is all in God's hands now," said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized in Wadowice, southern Poland. "We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments." In the Philippines, tears streamed down the face of Linda Nicol as she and her husband asked God to grant John Paul "a longer life." Muslims in France were praying for the pontiff because he was a "man of peace," said Dalil Boubakeur, president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith. Navarro-Valls said John Paul asked aides to read him the biblical passage describing the final stage of the Way of the Cross, the path that Christ took to his crucifixion. In that stage, according to the Bible, Christ's body was taken down from the cross, wrapped in a linen shroud and placed in his tomb. Navarro-Valls said the pope followed attentively and made the sign of the cross. "This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years," Navarro-Valls said. Choking up, he walked out of the room. John Paul's health declined sharply Thursday when he developed a high fever brought on by the infection. On Thursday afternoon, the pope suffered heart failure and a condition called "septic shock" during treatment for the infection, the Vatican said Friday, but it denied an Italian news report that he was in a coma. The pope received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening. Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed both for patients at the point of death and for those who are very sick — and it may be repeated. The Rome daily La Repubblica reported Friday that the sacrament was administered by John Paul's closest aide, Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who serves as his private secretary. Dziwisz had given the pontiff the same sacrament on Feb. 24 just before the pope underwent a tracheotomy to insert a breathing tube in his throat at the Gemelli Polyclinic hospital, the newspaper said. Italy's Apcom news agency reported Friday morning that the pontiff had fallen into a coma, but the Vatican dismissed the report. Among the aides John Paul received Friday were Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's No. 2 official; Undersecretary of State Archbishop Leonardo Sandri; the pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini; his doctrinal chief, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger; the Vatican foreign minister, Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo; and American Cardinal Edmund Szoka, the governor of Vatican City. The pontiff was attended to in his apartment by the Vatican medical team, and provided with "all the appropriate therapeutic provisions and cardio-respiratory assistance," the Holy See said. It said the pope was being helped by his personal doctor, two intensive care doctors, a cardiologist, an ear, nose and throat specialist and two nurses. Heart failure occurs when the heart no longer has the strength to pump blood through the body, and is a sign that the body's cardiac system is failing. Dr. Paolo Nardini, a Rome physician who is not part of the pope's team, said a heart attack affects only the heart, while heart failure signals a "breakdown of the entire system, basically uncurable." Dr. Peter Weissberg, medical director of the British Heart Foundation, said septic shock "puts a phenomenal strain on the heart." In a statement Friday, Weissberg said that "those already suffering from heart disease — including those with heart failure — are even more susceptible to septic shock. Infection triggers a profound loss of blood pressure, depriving organs around the body of their vital blood supply and putting an enormous strain on the heart." Even the fittest patients need special care and medicine to survive, he said. Ruini said he visited John Paul early Friday and found him "profoundly serene and fully lucid." "I prayed with him for a moment which profoundly moved me. Certainly the pope has completely left himself in God's hands. I invite all Romans and Italians to intensify prayers for him in this moment," Ruini told private TG5 television. He asked Italians to pray for John Paul, and said a special Mass for the pope would be held at 7 p.m. at the basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome. The patriarch of Venice, Cardinal Angelo Scola, also planned a Mass in St. Mark Basilica at the same time. Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul has become a picture of suffering. His 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments. It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions. __________________ Visit the 90's Board! ![]() | |||
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| It's everywhere and it brings me down so much. I'm praying for him and believe that there's still hope for him. I don't think that I'm ready for him to leave us. I don't think I will ever be ready for him to do that. | |||
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| nm __________________ When people get the opportunity to talk about the real issues, it becomes clear how vacuous the present agenda is. I have never met anyone in Vermont who thinks it's a good idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on health care and education. Nobody.-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders Last edited by Milt Palacio; 04-01-2005 at 09:57 AM. | |||
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| Sigh. This is so sad. I'm a non-practicing Catholic and didn't agree with everything he said but I have tremendous respect for him, and his accomplishments are phenomenal. He was the right man for the right job at the right time. Sadly, I don't think there will be another one like him for a long, long time, if ever. | |||
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| I'm not a Catholic, but I hope that his condition improves. Heck I don't even know much about him, but he's a cool guy so I hope he gets better. If he dies, who will become the pope? One thing I never understood was when he rode in that plastic box -- I assume it was bulletproof, but not even our own Presidents travel like that. Why did he go in that vehicle sometimes? | |||
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| But who would want to kill the pope...that's just sacreligious! Ok not really funny but I kind of thought it was. You never know though...maybe the pope is considered an "infidel" (aren't we all ) since he is at the head of the Catholic church.Now the Pope Mobile, that's unique. | |||
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italian media just reported that he finally passed away. the windows are still open, tho. it's still inofficial. | |||
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| ETA __________________ Carolina (The twinmaker & CK girl) - Happy of not being spoiler free! "What are you doing?" "Will you just stand still?" "I'm just a poor girl and nobody loves me..." Last edited by italian jj; 04-01-2005 at 11:37 AM. | |||
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| He had an assassination attempt in 1981 and he was injured pretty badly. After that they came out with the Pope Mobile. __________________ The Committee To Re-elect President Obama: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul | |||
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| I was checking for news all day. According to TV news he already passed away. ![]() | |||
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| From Yahoo site: "News agencies report Pope has died; no Vatican confirmation". It doesn't matter today or tomorrow. It's really sad, that another magnificent person, who has made a lot for this world, and this world wouldn't be the same without his actions, leaves us. __________________ Gosia | Racing is a state of mind. | |||
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| ![]() This is so depressing. I'm quite shocked. If he isn't dead yet and he is to die, let's pray he has a nice and calmed one. __________________ I want her everywhereAnd if she is beside meI know I need never care |Clark♥Lois| Visit Erica Durance | icon credit | |||
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I had no idea he was dying; I thought he was just really sick. Pretty sad; I hope he goes peacefully. And I hope that his replacement is as good as he was. | |||
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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | It might be days or mere hours before the Vatican reports. They're waiting until all the cardnals are there so they can go into Cloister. I have a feeling one of the Italian cardnals will be the next Pope, just a guess though but it's a feeling. May he go peacefully and be one with God. He was a good man and even though I don't agree with everything the Catholic church does, he promoted peace throughout his life. __________________ Real Gamers Wear Pink "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway | |||
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