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Old 12-09-2007, 05:53 PM
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Pickton guilty on 6 counts of 2nd-degree murder; 20 more pending

CTV.ca | Pickton guilty on 6 counts of second-degree murder

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Updated Sun. Dec. 9 2007 7:12 PM ET

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Crown prosecutors say they are satisfied a jury has found Robert Pickton guilty on six counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of women from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, calling the verdict a "validation" of their case.

"I think it's a very good result," lead Crown lawyer Michael Petrie told a press conference Sunday. "Mr. Pickton was convicted of six counts of murder."

Some family members of the victims were angered that Pickton was not found guilty of first-degree murder, which would have implied an element of planning and deliberation in the women's deaths.

Crown spokesperson Stan Lowe said the seven-lawyer team was content with the verdict.

"We view today's verdict as a validation -- a confirmation of our assessment of the evidence in this case," he said.

Family members of the victims gathered outside the courthouse for a solemn ceremony after the verdict, some struggling to hold back tears. They formed a circle and held candles representing the women they had lost.

Pickton, 58, had been charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Sereena Abotsway, Mona Wilson, Andrea Joesbury, Georgina Papin, Brenda Wolfe and Marnie Frey.

Some family members were shocked when the verdict was first read out, moaning when they heard the words "not guilty of first-degree."

"I actually lost my heart -- it was in my stomach. I thought, 'I don't know if I can sit here,' I was gasping for air, thinking he was going to get off," said Lynn Frey, the stepmother of Marnie Frey.

"Then when they read it over again, I realized he was getting all the charges (of second-degree murder). I prayed, and sure enough he got it."

The difference in the two types of convictions:

The sentence for first-degree murder is life in prison with no parole eligibility for 25 years.
Someone convicted of second-degree murder will also be sentenced to life in prison, but could have their minimum parole eligibility date set to anything between 10 and 25 years.

"(Jurors) had a lot of evidence they had to sift through. And when they reached the conclusions that they did, it gives us some glimpse of what was going on in the jury room, but a lot of it is speculative," said lead defence lawyer Peter Ritchie.

"I guess what we can learn is that since they acquitted this man of first-degree murder, they weren't satisfied that the evidence showed he planned and deliberated these murders."

The jury declined to make a recommendation about sentence length.

Justice James Williams of B.C. Supreme Court thanked the jury, who had spent 10 months hearing evidence and 10 days deliberating.

"Over the last long, long time -- it's a year now -- while carrying out your obligations, you've represented the people of Canada in this very important task and on their behalf, I want to offer you my most sincere thank you," he said.

"You know now what an enormous responsibility it is to judge your fellow man and you have performed this task admirably in my view."

The families have asked that their victim impact statements be read out on Tuesday, on the same day that Pickton will face a sentencing hearing.

Drama accompanied the reading of the verdicts. The courtroom first heard the words "not guilty" in association with the first-degree murder charge, and some thought Pickton had been acquitted. The courtroom then fell silent as it became clear Pickton was convicted of second-degree murder for all six victims.

"It is difficult for the Crown to prove first-degree murder," Wally Oppal, B.C.'s attorney-general, told CTV Newsnet. The elements of planning and deliberation are the key elements, he said.

"We think the jury delivered the proper verdict," Oppal said, and described the prosecution team as having done an "awesome job."

Police arrested Pickton in February 2002. The subsequent investigation of his Port Coquitlam pig farm turned into the most intensive forensic investigation in Canadian history.

The investigation was a joint operation between the Vancouver Police Department and the RCMP.

"The hundreds of investigators have completed more than 13,000 tasks, interviewed hundreds of individuals, and recorded over 1,500 statements," a police spokesperson said Sunday following the verdict.

"If you boxed up the evidence to date, it would equal 688 boxes -- enough to completely fill a large room. If you piled the boxed one on top of each other, their height would be taller than that of the Seattle Space Needle."

The trial began on Jan. 22. The seven-man, five-woman jury heard 128 witnesses (98 for the Crown, 30 for the defence), two closing arguments and a four-day "charge" from Justice Williams of B.C. Supreme Court in New Westminster, B.C., which is instructing the jury on the applicable law.

The jury began its deliberations on Nov. 30. Family members of the women Pickton has now been convicted of killing had been conducting a native smudge ceremony this morning when word came down about the verdict.

Pickton pleaded not guilty to six counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of women, some of whom were sex trade workers who disappeared from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside over a period of years.

A further 20 counts of first-degree murder against him will be dealt with at a later date.

Oppal said the "public interest" will determine whether Pickton will face trial on those charges.

"Keep in mind that he's been convicted now of six counts of second-degree murder and will get six mandatory life sentences," he said, adding the victims' families will be consulted.

The cost of the first trial is rumoured to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Oppal said he couldn't confirm the cost at this point, but said cost would not be a consideration in deciding whether to proceed with the second trial.
I have to say that, as satisfying as it is that he was convicted of something, at long freaking last, I'm with the families. You kill one woman at your farm, I can see how that could perhaps be second-degree murder. How exactly do you manage to kill five others and, at some point in there, not have premeditation in your actions?

There's still the other 20 provable murder charges against him. Which still leaves out, I believe, another 20 unaccounted-for women who disappeared from the same area during the same period of time, but whose DNA was not conclusively found at that psycho's farm.

But it's something.
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Old 12-09-2007, 05:57 PM
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CTV.ca | Verdict a 'bittersweet' victory for victims' families

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Updated Sun. Dec. 9 2007 7:02 PM ET

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The verdict in the Pickton trial is "a bittersweet victory," the father of one of the murder victims told CTV News on Sunday.

Rick Frey, father of Marnie Frey, one of the six women Robert Pickton was found guilty of murdering in the second degree on Sunday, although relieved, sounded bitter about the lack of a first-degree verdict.

"When you murder six people over the length of time this guy did, if there wasn't a premeditation... I don't know."

"I actually lost my heart, it was in my stomach," said Marnie's stepmother Lynn Frey, describing her feeling when the initial verdict of not guilty in the first degree charge was read in court. "I was gasping for air, thinking that he was going to get off."

Steven Ricketts, Marnie's boyfriend and father of their 15-year-old daughter Brittney, also felt the verdict was "a little disheartening."

"I'm very disappointed. You have body parts in your back yard and you get second degree murder and a chance for parole? There's something wrong with that picture," he said. "He should never be eligible for parole."

"I'm feeling very angry right now," said Bernie Williams of Vancouver's Downtown Eastside organization, who told CTV News. She went on to suggest a public inquiry into the police investigation would be in order.

"This is not justice. This is shameful," she said.

Lynn Frey echoed the call for an inquiry.

"This is isn't over. I had a lot of questions that were never answered, and they will be answered," she said.

Elaine Allan, who worked at Women's Information Safe House until 2001 and knew five of the six victims, said her "heart just goes out to the families."

"I know they've been through hell. Sitting in the court house for the last 10 days, waiting for a verdict to come forward has been extremely difficult," she said.

Wayne Leng, a friend of murder victim Sarah de Vries who set up a toll-free phone tip line in 1998, was positive about the verdict.

"I'm overwhelmed right now, with this verdict just coming in" he said. "We're very grateful that this has happened."

Joyce LaChance, aunt of Marnie Frey, said she never had any doubt of Pickton's guilt.

"I always knew it was him," she said. "This guy gave me the creeps."

"At least we have justice," Rick Frey said. "He's behind bars. And the biggest thing is that when all six convictions came in, that meant we can move on to the other 20 and possibly more. So hopefully there will be justice for everybody."

Family members of the victims took part in a vigil after leaving the courtroom, during which a somber song was played and candles were lit in honour of each of the victims.

"It was very calming," said Lynn Frey, who participated in the vigil.

Ricketts said the ordeal of the trial has taken its toll, and will not be returning for the subsequent trial of Pickton for the murder of 20 other victims.

"I won't be back. This has been tough enough for myself and my daughter and our family," he said.
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Old 12-09-2007, 10:24 PM
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This whole story has just been totally horrifying
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I have to say that, as satisfying as it is that he was convicted of something, at long freaking last, I'm with the families. You kill one woman at your farm, I can see how that could perhaps be second-degree murder. How exactly do you manage to kill five others and, at some point in there, not have premeditation in your actions?

There's still the other 20 provable murder charges against him. Which still leaves out, I believe, another 20 unaccounted-for women who disappeared from the same area during the same period of time, but whose DNA was not conclusively found at that psycho's farm.

But it's something.

I live on Vancouver Island in BC so I have heard a lot about this case. Thank god he was found guilty for those six counts and I believe he'll be found guilty for the next 20. But what bothers me is that I don't see how he can be charged with second-degree murder instead of first. Second-degree murders usually only killed one maybe two people. I can't see how it wasn't pre-meditated. I mean the six that he was found guilty of their deaths happened between 1997 to 2001 and the other 20 deaths occured between 1995 to 2001. That man should rot in prison for the rest of his life. Cases like this make me sad that we don't have the death penalty here. Your right there are some unaccounted women it is believed he killed about 54 women. Originally he was charged with 27 murders (the 27th being a Jane Doe) that charge was dropped due to "lack of evidence".
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