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Old 01-29-2007, 03:39 PM
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Peak Oil: The end of civilization as we know it?

With all the ruckus associated with global warming (a very real danger), it seems many individuals are unaware of another potential threat -- Peak Oil.

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Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult, apocalypse bible prophecy sect, or conspiracy theory society. Rather, it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely-respected geologists, physicists, and investment bankers in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global "Peak Oil."


"Are We 'Running Out'? I Thought
There Was 40 Years of the Stuff Left"


Oil will not just "run out" because all oil production follows a bell curve. This is true whether we're talking about an individual field, a country, or on the planet as a whole.

Oil is increasingly plentiful on the upslope of the bell curve, increasingly scarce and expensive on the down slope. The peak of the curve coincides with the point at which the endowment of oil has been 50 percent depleted. Once the peak is passed, oil production begins to go down while cost begins to go up.

In practical and considerably oversimplified terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of global Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980. However, the world’s population in 2020 will be both much larger (approximately twice) and much more industrialized (oil-dependent) than it was in 1980. Consequently, worldwide demand for oil will outpace worldwide production of oil by a significant margin. As a result, the price will skyrocket, oil-dependant economies will crumble, and resource wars will explode.

The issue is not one of "running out" so much as it is not having enough to keep our economy running. In this regard, the ramifications of Peak Oil for our civilization are similar to the ramifications of dehydration for the human body. The human body is 70 percent water. The body of a 200 pound man thus holds 140 pounds of water. Because water is so crucial to everything the human body does, the man doesn't need to lose all 140 pounds of water weight before collapsing due to dehydration. A loss of as little as 10-15 pounds of water may be enough to kill him.

In a similar sense, an oil-based economy such as ours doesn't need to deplete its entire reserve of oil before it begins to collapse. A shortfall between demand and supply as little as 10-15 percent is enough to wholly shatter an oil-dependent economy and reduce its citizenry to poverty.
Like always, I take everything I read with a grain of salt, but he does have some very compelling arguments. I've always had the oil crisis in the back of my mind anyway, so this definitely doesn't come as a shock.

More at Peak Oil: Life After the Oil Crash. I highly recommend a reading.
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Old 01-29-2007, 05:47 PM
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Why didn't people start trying to look for another fuel source 10, 20, or 30 years ago?
I just think it's so funny that people are just now realizing that the Earth is running out of oil.
Honestly, did you think it was going to last forever? It's a natural resource. That means it will run out eventually.

And all these global warming supporters need to stop whining and complaining and start doing something to solve the so-called problem of global warming.
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:46 PM
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And all these global warming supporters need to stop whining and complaining and start doing something to solve the so-called problem of global warming.
'Whining and complaining?' I take great offense to this.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:16 PM
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Are you going to call the ACLU on me? Whining and complaining about global warming is not going to solve it. If people want something done about it, then they should step up and take some action.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:22 PM
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People are taking action! Just because you don't find it remotely important does not mean others feel the same way. And to call those people "whiners and complainers" is insulting.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:24 PM
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I think Prayforandrew's point was that people ARE trying to take some action; they aren't just "whining and complaining." It's disrespectful to dismiss such a strong movement (and it's getting stronger all the time) as a bunch of whiners who don't do anything.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:38 PM
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Are you going to call the ACLU on me?
Your maturity astounds me and I find your quick wit enchanting.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:46 PM
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I should go to rehab right because I sad bad words?
I never said that global warming is not important. I just have not seen enough evidence that proves that we humans are horrible evil beings that have destroyed the planet.
Some people say that there isn't enough evidence to prove that God and Jesus exist and they are applauded. I say that I haven't seen enough evidence to prove that global warming is as bad and extreme as everyone says it is and I"m stupid?

Prayforandrew, your personal hatred of me is astounding and enchanting. LOL
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:54 PM
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Prayforandrew, your personal hatred of me is astounding and enchanting. LOL
Okay, good one. Because I have a personal hatred for you in all? You offended me, when I said it offended me you choose to mock me and say 'oh call the ucla on me.' So when i say something back I have a 'personal hatred' for you. Interesting way of thinking.

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Old 01-30-2007, 02:35 AM
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Just thought I'd say that global warming isn't really the issue at hand. The issue is that the world is on the downslope of oil availability, and that unfortunate fact coupled with an ever-growing population is shaping up to be a deadly combination.

To add insult to injury, most of the alternative fuel sources to oil are actually dependant on oil for mining, research, and transportation. I'm sure the issue is likely not quite as severe as the article claims, but it is certainly something we should all keep in the back of our minds.

It also lends some understanding to the Bush administration's gross mishandling of the "War on Terror." The Middle East is rich in fossil fuels, and desperate times call for desperate measures. I still can't support this war in any capacity, but if times truly are as rough as activists are making them out to be, I can see why some people are desperate.
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With all due respect, we all lead offline lives and many of us do not "whine" and "complain". There are plenty of us trying to do our part in fighitng global warming.

But to you Jacob, we just seem to be whiners, throwing hissy fits, calling the ACLU and demanding that you be put in rehab - none of which is true. You can't understand how that is frustrating? To be so utterly dismissed and mocked?
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Old 01-30-2007, 10:50 AM
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Come on guys, I think you need to back off and leave Jacob alone. don't you know that he's the only one on this board who is allowed to find anything offensive? An example for the more daft among you:

Christianity is not for me, I don't think the Bible is true and/or based on fact. --- This is offensive, because Jacob is a Christian.

All these global warming supporters need to stop whining and complaining! --- Not offensive, because Jacob doesn't care about global warming.

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Why didn't people start trying to look for another fuel source 10, 20, or 30 years ago?
They did. Then the oil industry decided to squash most of that research into a million bits. Still, there's biofuel, sun-power, and so on...
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:21 PM
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That's complete crap. I'm the only that is allowed to find anything offensive?
That is so untrue and completely ridiculous.
Have you ever been banned from this board because people accused of being a racist? Have you ever had your signature removed because some people had hissy fits over it and accused of bashing one group when in fact that wasn't the intention at all.

You are offended when I say "are you gonna call the ACLU on me"? I swear how did you people survive high school if you get so easily offended by non offensive things.
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Have you ever been banned from this board because people accused of being a racist? Have you ever had your signature removed because some people had hissy fits over it and accused of bashing one group when in fact that wasn't the intention at all.
We know you've been banned once, you don't need to always bring it up. As for you signature, multiple people found it offensive and if you think it was wrong for it to be removed, continue to talk to Kelly about it.

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You are offended when I say "are you gonna call the ACLU on me"? I swear how did you people survive high school if you get so easily offended by non offensive things.
I don't think that is what is offending people. I think what is offending others is your total lack of maturity and respect on a lot of issues.
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Old 01-30-2007, 03:48 PM
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You are offended when I say "are you gonna call the ACLU on me"? I swear how did you people survive high school if you get so easily offended by non offensive things.
First off, not everyone had the same highschool experience as you. I loved my highschool years so I'm not going 'whine and complain' about how I was bullied. Second, this ISN'T highschool is it?
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