News & Politics - "peace" rally in San Francisco

**n e r b l e** · 03-22-2004, 10:15 PM

Some of the peace marchers tended toward violence and they did not like it one little bit that we crashed their whacked out party. Unfortunately, some in our group were attacked, actually a couple of times. I didn't know that peace marchers would think to "put a bullet in your head," but I guess that's how uninformed I am about peace. . . .

At one point things got really pretty dicey as one of my fellow protest warriors was being choked right there in the middle of the street and the NYPD came in and rescued us! They corralled us into a bull pen sort of place and protected us from the peace marchers . . . Then, they assigned a scooter brigade to guard us while we expressed our right of free speech. My poor sainted husband, who I talked into coming with me was being shoved and screamed at by the ANSWER security squad (brown shirts) and he remarked that we have free speech in the U.S. to which the goon screamed in return "there is no [expletive] free speech." I think this would come as a surprise to the thousands of police officers that were assigned to this march in order for people to exercise their right to assembly and free speech.

While in the police bullpen one of the big wig officers came up to me and said under his breath "I can't say this in public but we love you guys, we wish you would turn out more often." I told him the problem was that we have jobs and therefore our time is somewhat limited.
http://www.allahpundit.com/archives/000440.html

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JohannafromIHJ · 03-23-2004, 10:35 AM

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While in the police bullpen one of the big wig officers came up to me and said under his breath "I can't say this in public but we love you guys, we wish you would turn out more often." I told him the problem was that we have jobs and therefore our time is somewhat limited.

Or, you're busy blowing up abortion clinics.

Left or right, I think most people who go out to protest only do it to get into a good brawl. I never went out and protested the war in Iraq, for example. I just stayed here and annoyed people with my unyeilding opinions. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

I think the problem with most of these sorts of marches begins with the word "march". There's a reason sitdown protsts are more peaceful - you can't start physical fights when you're not supposed to move!

**n e r b l e** · 03-23-2004, 12:20 PM

In the United States, more than 30 million babies have been killed by abortion since Roe v. Wade, vs. seven abortion providers killed.

JohannafromIHJ · 03-23-2004, 02:02 PM

In the United States, no respected scientist calls the mass of tissue that early embryo is made up of a baby. But if you want to discuss abortions, you can dig up the old abortions thread and knock yourself out.

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elisheva · 03-23-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by JohannafromIHJ:
 Or, you're busy blowing up abortion clinics.

Left or right, I think most people who go out to protest only do it to get into a good brawl. I never went out and protested the war in Iraq, for example. I just stayed here and annoyed people with my unyeilding opinions. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

I think the problem with most of these sorts of marches begins with the word "march". There's a reason sitdown protsts are more peaceful - you can't start physical fights when you're not supposed to move!

I've gone to marches/rallies, whatever - I don't know, does that count as a protest march? - mostly Israel advocacy rallies and so on, and it's all been with an entirely peaceful intent. People are there to show support, to make sure the message gets out, etc. Not all rallies end up nasty or violent.

Just like sending letters to the editor, debating on public forums, etc., rallies that get noticed in a positive way (as in, NOT because they beat up other people, broke windows, waved offensive signs, whatever) can be an effective way of spreading a message.

[I realize my post isn't exactly relevant to the first post, but I wanted to answer Johanna's post. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img])

JohannafromIHJ · 03-23-2004, 03:17 PM

I think the problem with such rallies is that they start of peaceful, but a small group of people usually manage to turn it into something else. I'm incredibly tired of extreme left and extreme right groups ruining people's causes and events just because they can't find any other outlet than vandalism and a lot of yelling and fighting.

I can see how people protesting the Iraq war might get hostile to as group of pro-war people. Many of them feel like their leaders aren't listening to them at all, and then having people there telling them what they've already basically been told by the government can easily trigger an explosion.

**n e r b l e** · 03-23-2004, 03:33 PM

and do you care to explain the sign in the picture above? is that a good, premeditated answer to "a government that is not listening?" and i thought that peace protests against a war was supposed to set an example, not start a civil war.

JohannafromIHJ · 03-23-2004, 03:38 PM

I thought that picture accompanied the pro-war text you posted? I took it to mean that since the attack, the sign-maker has grown to love NY even more than before.

**n e r b l e** · 03-23-2004, 03:47 PM

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I thought that picture accompanied the pro-war text you posted? I took it to mean that since the attack, the sign-maker has grown to love NY even more than before.

it was a description of the protest of the "peace" rally that was taking place across the street. that picture was from the anti-war protest. if you still think that he "loves ny more now" check out this pic

also you said
In the United States, no respected scientist calls the mass of tissue that early embryo is made up of a baby.

From pregnantpause.org: �A seaweed-based substance called �laminaria� is inserted into the cervix to dilate it, usually overnight. The next day forceps with sharp metal teeth are inserted and used to twist and tear off the unborn baby's limbs and remove them piece-by-piece. The head is usually too large to be removed whole and must be crushed.�connected to a suction device, similar to a home vacuum cleaner but much more powerful. Between the sharp edge and the force of the suction, the developing baby is torn apart and the pieces sucked out through the tube.�

a head and arms and legs are a "mass of tissue" to you? and by the way, you brought up "bombing abortion clinics" not me.

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idork · 03-23-2004, 03:58 PM

Oh, man. This anti-abortion BS really makes me sick. You start a thread about a peace rally and you turn it into some sort of pro-life propaganda deal? Really.

Oh, and God forbid anyone have their own opinions on the state of the nation! I am ashamed of my country! I am ashamed of people like you who bash those that choose to dissent. Good lord, I rarely get fired up on an online forum, but seriously. Oh well. I guess I'm a communist/socialist/anti-American/ignorant/unpatriotic person now. I'll have to pick up the pieces and move on.

**n e r b l e** · 03-23-2004, 04:05 PM

Or, you're busy blowing up abortion clinics.

posted by JohannafromIHJ

for the second time, i did not bring in abortion.

and it's not a matter of just dissenting. if you want to dislike, or be ashamed of america or whatever, so be it. and not to beat a dead horse, but why not move to a country you're not ashamed of? not to sound like we're trying to run you off the continent but wouldn't you be happier in a country with views that matched your own? i don't know, maybe you like a lot of what america offers but what's going on now upsets you. but constant negativity will make people think you hate the place.

idork · 03-23-2004, 04:08 PM

Believe me, if I could move to Canada I would. Too much of what goes on here makes me nauseous.

StellaSlight · 03-23-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by n e r b l e:

and it's not a matter of just dissenting. if you want to dislike, or be ashamed of america or whatever, so be it. and not to beat a dead horse, but why not move to a country you're not ashamed of? not to sound like we're trying to run you off the continent but wouldn't you be happier in a country with views that matched your own? i don't know, maybe you like a lot of what america offers but what's going on now upsets you. but constant negativity will make people think you hate the place.

I think everyone has been ashamed of his/her country at least once. Politics change and turn over, that's the way things work. I was ashamed of my country when the extreme-right wing came second in the last presidential elections, due to the lack of participation from voters. I was ashamed because I felt that it didn't represent my own values anymore, just like how those protesters probably feel right now. It was my right to protest in a 'march' and show how ashamed of my country I was. So were like 87% of the population. What were we supposed to do, flee because we didn't feel the politics then matched our own? Nope.
Your 'protesting warriors' have all the right to feel ashamed of their country as it is now, but it doesn't mean they're ashamed to be Americans. They're ashamed of current politics, not a system of values, culture, nor inheritage.

And I feel that it's a difference that is tremendously important. I've seen too many people called 'anti-Americans' or 'bad compatriots' in the past year while all they did was to disagree with a certain politics.

SuperDeluxe · 03-23-2004, 11:53 PM

Sometimes when you disagree with their opinion, they will get upset.

StellaSlight · 03-24-2004, 05:57 AM