News & Politics - Parents use shock collar on girl - Page 2

Bill bobidy · 04-19-2004, 05:39 AM

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They are not making judgements on anyone.

But, they did.

Silversun · 04-19-2004, 04:38 PM

Bill - to a certain extent I do agree with your views on non-judgment, but it's probably also worthwhile to note that "a judge ruled that prosecutors presented sufficient evidence to justify a trial". The hearing had already gotten past depositions so the prosecution must at least have some evidential basis in order to press forward with the claim.

I think for a preliminary hearing, the threshold to commit to trial is a 'balance of probabilities' on the evidence presented. Whether the defendants can squeeze through the door of reasonable doubt (i.e. conviction or dismissal)is another question altogether, but the facts we have on hand at the moment suggests (at least) that on the balance of probabilities, they very well could have done it. That does not make judgment on the parents fair, but I don't think the posters' judgments are totally unfounded and blindly biased, either.

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~* Blue Angel *~ · 04-19-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Bill bobidy:


Here's one for you all.

The poster above me abuses sheep. I heard it from a good source.

[img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] Oooo wittiness, good call. That was the lamest point for an arguement I've ever seen. Although you almost got it right, I'm more into pig abuse myself [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Please, don't give me all that **** about judging people. Lighten up. Ok, I made a snap desicion in deciding that the parent's were guilty but it was shocking to read something like that.
Silver Dawn is right. Aggresiveness in a post can be intimidating and I don't appreciate you speaking to me and other posters in the way you did.
So, yes, maybe it didn't happen. But while you're giving that side of the arguement, I'm here to give the other side, what if it did.

ETA: TheAngel I didn't realise the collar gave the same shock to dogs as a static one would do to humans. I'm still not all for them, but I appreciate your post, thanks [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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Timeo · 04-19-2004, 05:13 PM

Assuming that these parents were guilty (phew, got my disclaimer there), is it just me, or are more and more parents seemingly abusing their kids these days? It seems like every few weeks, there's a story about parents mistreating their child, locking them in basements, abusing them, you know, forcing them to wear electric shock collars etc. I don't know if incidents of abuse are more common nowadays, or are they just getting more media attention?

Either way, if they did what they did, I hope they get what they deserve.

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StellaSlight · 04-19-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Timeo:
Assuming that these parents were guilty (phew, got my disclaimer there), is it just me, or are more and more parents seemingly abusing their kids these days?

I don't think there are more and more parents abusing their children. There are just more reports of the abusing (was taboo before) and more media coverage nowadays.

Sofa · 04-19-2004, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Bill bobidy:


But, they did.

How so?

Sofa

**Evie** · 04-19-2004, 08:37 PM

If it's true, that's horrible. No person deserves the treatment she (allegedly) suffered.

Bill bobidy · 04-20-2004, 03:58 AM

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Silver Dawn is right. Aggresiveness in a post can be intimidating and I don't appreciate you speaking to me and other posters in the way you did.

Looking back i have a hard time seeing that on a Political board my post managed to intimidate anyone. Wonder how the two people who have been accused are. I get angry about this type of thing as I have real problems that people are tried and judged by the media.

If these people get found not guilty they will still have little hope at keeping their jobs or even walking about outside.

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(phew, got my disclaimer there),

There that's the ticket! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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How so?

After reading all the comments you can't see that people are making judgements as if this had in fact happened?

Silversun- That's fair enough comment but untill it becomes law that all someone needs to got to jail is a ruling from a pre-trial hearing then putting names out there and destroying lives can't possibly be a good thing.

People accused of such heinous crimes will need to face comments from people all day long, get fired from their jobs, face regular assaults and so on.

It seems to me to be a kangaroo courtroom type thing.

~* Blue Angel *~ · 04-20-2004, 12:50 PM

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I get angry about this type of thing as I have real problems that people are tried and judged by the media.

Bill I know, the media pisses me off too. But unfortuantly we can't do anything about that. I just don't think it's fair for you to take this 'anger' out on fellow posters. You could scream and shout until you were blue in the face but the media wouldn't change their ways. It's whats they do. They take parts of real people's lives and make them into some kind of spectacle. It's not nice but it happens. And I think that if it came about that the parent's didnt commit the crime then I'm sure that they'd still be able to get jobs and stuff. I know that if I saw someone who had been accused of a crime but then cleared, then I wouldn't still judge them by it. I'd let it go, as I'm sure (or I hope) other people and the media would do with this couple if proved innocent [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Jen.

Ice Queen follower · 04-20-2004, 12:57 PM

If the parents are found guilty they should be locked away that is so horrible.

But if they are found innocent, then what a freaking sick mind does that girl have.

Sofa · 04-20-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bill bobidy:
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After reading all the comments you can't see that people are making judgements as if this had in fact happened?

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They are DISCUSSING about what they READ. They are giving their feelings on what has been said to them. If you'd read a little more closely you'd see that these people are saying "if this happend..." therefore, they are not accepting it as fact.

Sofa

last beautiful girl · 04-21-2004, 08:22 AM

Wow. If that's true, it's really disgusting. I feel bad for the girl either way. If it turns out she was lying, she definitely needs psychological help.

Jess519 · 04-21-2004, 11:16 AM

Bill: I'm with you about people being tried in the media and the court of popular opinion. People used to get in my case about the Scott Peterson trial, because everyone in the world had decided he was guilty, and I stupidly thought he was innocent until proven guilty. I wasn't quite ready to hang the guy yet. But that's unfortunately the way our society works. It's a wonder to me sometimes that anyone gets a fair trial.

However, I think that generally on this board, people are posting their immediate reactions to an article. While they may not explicitly state a disclaimer (like, if this is true...), it's still there in spirit. People shouldn't need to couch everything they say on this board with disclaimers. The assumption is there that "this is just their opinion" or "if this actually happened then..."

Am I making any sense?

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Originally posted by last beautiful girl:
Wow. If that's true, it's really disgusting. I feel bad for the girl either way. If it turns out she was lying, she definitely needs psychological help.

That's a good point. Whether it's true or not, this girl is probably pretty messed up. (Either from the abuse, or from whatever it is that mader her make it up).

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aussie baby · 04-24-2004, 05:26 PM

holey crap 200 years is a long time. if they did it they should go to jail

*Kaylee* · 04-30-2004, 08:20 PM

That is just so mean of the mom to do that to her daughter.