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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 2002
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| NYC bans trans fats in restaurants Quote:
While I'm not so into state controls on junk food, trans fats serve no appreciable purpose except to extend shelf life (which, gross) and make things really bad for you. I'm not firmly for or against, though. Thoughts? Nanny state gone crazy or state protecting health? __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I'm with you... it's a bit of both. However, as trans fat serve no real irreplaceable purpose, and considering how terrible they are for a person's health... I mean, this is why they banned lead paint, right? But it's shifty ground and I would hope they don't go overboard with that. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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| Like the both of you, I'm also a little "hmmmm" with this issue. The lead paint analogy I think is most apt for this situation - if the threat is big enough, the state has to do something. | |||
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| I think this ban is ridiculous. Fatty foods are usually bad for you but they shouldn't be all be banned. There are a ton of foods that are deemed unhealthy but they aren't being banned. I don't see what the big deal is. If you go every once in a while and get a burger or taco at a fast food place, I honestly don't think it's going to kill you. However, if you eat out everyday then there would be a problem. This whole ban is like telling people what they can and can't eat. It's not right. I mean you can drink a beer and get in your car and kill someone but you don't see any lawmakers trying to put restrictions or a ban on drinking. That's one thing I don't understand about American society. We are so anti cigarette smoking and fatty/unhealthy food but we are all okay with drinking. I do think that smoking and fatty/unhealthy foods are bad for you but they gradually screw you up. A person can drink 1 beer or two and their life and/or other people's lives can be changed forever. | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Fatty foods aren't being banned, though. Trans fats are a whole different thing. And it is just in restaurants. So if people want LDL cholesterol and clogged arteries that bad, they can always go to the nearest grocery story. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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And as sunnykerr pointed out, fatty foods aren't being banned - trans fats are. They're an altered form of fat which is more stable (thus increasing shelf life) but which are very very bad for you. I guess iof the limit is banning trans fats in restaurants (and I suppose encouraging cut downs in processed foods as well?) this will be good for public health. However, if this extends much further, I'd be wary of that. __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| I'm not sure how I feel about this ban, I think it's a good thing for public health...but I don't like the government interfering so much. __________________ Bran My stories? No, my little lord, not mine.The stories are, before me and after me, and before you, too. Summer | |||
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| Our society is just messed up. A person who eats a burger from Burger King or McDonald's is deemed bad but a person who drinks a beer and gets drunk isn't. When you start banning food, you become less of a democracy. I see nothing wrong with eating a burger from Burger King or McDonald's every once in a while. I think the restaurants in NYC will definately lose a lot of money from banning trans fat. I'm sure they have already lost a lot of money since banning cigarette smoking. People should be allowed to enjoy somewhat unhealthy but tasty food every once in a while. And about beer and drinking, the best thing to do is to not drink at all. If you don't drink then you never have to worry about doing something bad and wrong to yourself and/or others. People will never support a ban on beer ever again but I do think that people need to wake up and realize that there should be more restrictions on it. A lot of activists spend way too much time on the whole "the truth" campaign. I would like to see some activists have some commercials and ads that are similar to the cigarette smoking "the truth" campaigns but be about the consequences and harmful effects of beer. | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
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This is the part that's exactly like banning lead paint. Paint wasn't banned, an ingredient in it was. You can still paint your house; people will still be able to buy and eat all the fatty foods they want to eat in restaurants. Quote:
And all I can say is that they talking about it on the news, because bar owners associations tried to sue the government over it and whatnot, and it just hasn't been the case. I mean that revenue loss has simply not happened. Quote:
I think the distinction is that, when you go to a restaurant, you don't control the amount of trans fats you consume because you don't know. They did studies and found ridiculous amounts of trans fats in places you wouldn't necessarily expect them to have. Like at a Wendy's, the burger was totally clean of trans fats, but the salad dressing was full of it, so that was worse... Quote:
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The thing is that, drunk moderately, there is no inherent health risk to beer. Sure, it impairs jugement, but it's not something where you can necessarily trace the direct impact. Obviously, drunk driving and alcoholism are a whole other story. But, for the most part, a guy or a girl who drinks a cool one at the end of the day every once in a while isn't doing anything irreperable to his health. As far as I can tell anyway, not drinking myself. Cigarettes, beyond the fact that they have very clear damaging impacts on a smoker's health, also affect the people around that person. To be very specific to what I know, aside from second-hand smoking, there's the whole fact that there are people out there who, like me, have asthma and people who, like me, are allergic to nicotine. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | ||||||
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| I have no problem with this sort of ban. Sasha ![]() __________________ Sasha | |||
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| I don't think this is a bad thing. They are just trying to help provide people with something healthier to help fight obesity. If there's something wrong with that, it's lost on me. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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| I think it's a great idea. __________________ ★ Delta Goodrem ★ Icon Credit - Cheali | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 2002
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| Another article on this topic that has slightly more information: Quote:
__________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| If America ever did ban foods such as hot dogs, burgers, fries, and chips, I might have to leave the country. LOL I just find it hilarious how America has its priorities set. It's like America cares so much about food but they could care less on more dangerous things such as drugs, tobacco, and alcohol. It's like a burger is more dangerous than cocaine, a cigarette, or a drunk driver. I do believe that America probably should be healthier when it comes food and fitness however our country should put more of a focus and emphasis on monitoring worse things such as tobacco, drugs, and alcohol. | |||
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| Policy makers in America want their citizens to be healthy. There's nothing wrong with that. Why do you make it sound like they are doing something horrible, Jacob? __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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