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Old 04-11-2007, 04:03 PM
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So it's okay for NAMBLA to post pictures of old men having sex with little boys on their website and in their literature? You really think they should be allowed to do that?
That's like saying that it's okay for child molestors to talk about young little boys as long as they don't actually do it.
Have you ever been to their website? I haven't and I have no desire to, if they are posting picturing of kiddie porn then they should be shut down.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:10 PM
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Nope. Besides, isn't it a felony to go on kiddie porn websites and have that stuff on your computer even if you aren't a weirdo like they are?

The ACLU really makes themselves look bad by supporting them and yes the ACLU does support them in the fact that the ACLU has not tried to shut them down. And a lot of the NAMBLA supporters say they have freedom of speech but what about people who make threats against the president or tell other countries our military/political secrets? So treason be okay since people have freedom of speech?

Oh yeah let's not forget that the ACLU supports pregnant women doing drugs.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:15 PM
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Have you ever been to their website? I haven't and I have no desire to, if they are posting picturing of kiddie porn then they should be shut down.
If they show child porn, than they do need to be shut down as it is illegal. Unfortunately, if they are just showing pictures of boys fully-clothed, it's okay.

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The ACLU really makes themselves look bad by supporting them and yes the ACLU does support them in the fact that the ACLU has not tried to shut them down.
The ACLU supports their right to have free speech. I have yet to see where the ACLU condones their practices though.

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So treason be okay since people have freedom of speech?
Treason does not count as free speech as the person committing the crime negates any privilege they have in their country.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:35 PM
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If they show child porn, than they do need to be shut down as it is illegal. Unfortunately, if they are just showing pictures of boys fully-clothed, it's okay.
So they are not breaking any laws. I had feeling that it was that way.
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:52 PM
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NAMBLA are certainly seriously creepy, but I'm sure they have a well-staffed legal department making sure they don't do anything actually illegal.
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:00 PM
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Nope. Besides, isn't it a felony to go on kiddie porn websites and have that stuff on your computer even if you aren't a weirdo like they are?

The ACLU really makes themselves look bad by supporting them and yes the ACLU does support them in the fact that the ACLU has not tried to shut them down. And a lot of the NAMBLA supporters say they have freedom of speech but what about people who make threats against the president or tell other countries our military/political secrets? So treason be okay since people have freedom of speech?

Oh yeah let's not forget that the ACLU supports pregnant women doing drugs.
Can you provide factual evidence, please?
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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Nope, I won't.

Can you prove me to that you're an actual person? I swear we live in a society where you have to prove everything to everyone. There is no trust anymore in America.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure the case Jacob's referencing is Ferguson v. City of Charleston for the drugs + pregnancy part. I'm not so sure on the other part. If I recall correctly, though, he's 100% wrong on this one.

I'm not totally sure if I'm remembering right, but I think the original decision was that hospitals searching a pregnant women's belongings and/or person/blood for illegal substances is unlawful if not given consent. The ACLU fought for a reversal and won it with a 6-3 vote.

Therefore, the ACLU supported the hospitals against pregnant women on drugs.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:15 PM
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Nope, I won't.

Can you prove me to that you're an actual person? I swear we live in a society where you have to prove everything to everyone. There is no trust anymore in America.
It's not a matter of trust, it's about providing relevant information so people can make up their own minds. I ask even my best friends for links to specific articles when they mention something I've never heard of or that sounds weird.
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:48 AM
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Nope, I won't.

Can you prove me to that you're an actual person? I swear we live in a society where you have to prove everything to everyone. There is no trust anymore in America.
Yeah but some sources to your opinions will be useful...not to mention helpful to your opinion. I mean, of course you have a right to your opinion but you need something to back that up to prove that it's relevant. This is not to prove anything to anyone but to simply provide some sources so it could be debatable.

Simply taking your word for it on your opinion doesn't mean it's 100% reliable.

As far as the NAMBLA goes, I just find the group creepy and don't plan on visiting their site soon.
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Old 04-12-2007, 04:07 AM
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The ACLU really makes themselves look bad by supporting them and yes the ACLU does support them in the fact that the ACLU has not tried to shut them down. And a lot of the NAMBLA supporters say they have freedom of speech but what about people who make threats against the president or tell other countries our military/political secrets? So treason be okay since people have freedom of speech?
If NAMBLA's website had child pornography on it, it would be a CRIME. Don't you get that there are laws that freedom of speech doesn't interfere with? Our laws are designed to protect the vulnerable (in this case, children) so abusing them is clearly a CRIME that society then has to take action against.

Jeez, its not that complex.

Furthermore, you raised the issue of snuff films - again, MURDER is a CRIME because people get hurt. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

Passing secrets to an enemy or selling classified equipment etc is also a CRIME because it hurts the nation, both in terms of national security and potential loss of life. Freedom of speech does not mean you are allowed to hurt or cause death to others.
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Old 04-12-2007, 07:20 AM
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To be able to say we live in a free and democratic society, the rights we enjoy have to benefit people we don't particularly enjoy or, in this particular case, people that freak the freaking heck out of us. If freedom of speech and expression was only reserved for people who expressed themselves in way deemed proper by any group of any kind, then that wouldn't be democracy at all. Nor would this be a free society.

A lot of groups skirt the law very closely, but so long as they don't break it, they have to be tolerated, even if none of us like it, because this is not an authoritarian regime.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:29 AM
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I came across a foreign website (it was in English) that was supposedly help pedophiles. The thing however was they put up fantasies and had pictures of little girls (clothed) on there . If this site was really supposed to help pedophiles it would not attempt to feed into their cravings. The webmaster at one time also had pictures of I believe John Edwards daughters on the site. I came across this site when I was reading someone's blog on how to recognize child molestation. She provided a link to the site with a warning against the content. There was no naked pictures, I knew there would not be. She was warning those that had a past history of sexual abuse in case they could not handle it and those with PTSD.

Well anyways the site was pretty scary and absurd. It was also extremely manipulative. Luckily for me, since I have dealt with many manipultative people in my life I was able to tell that the site was feeding me a line of BS. Phrases such as "we just want to give your daughters love," was used. There was more but I don't remember the rest.

I think the site is extremely dangerous, the worst part of all was that it was all completely legal.
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Old 04-12-2007, 11:49 AM
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So kiddie porn and old men molesting and raping are crimes as long as they don't kill anyone right?
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Old 04-12-2007, 11:57 AM
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Jacob, where you getting that from? No one said anything of the sort.
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