[Nayden-fan868]

I find it so funny that on FF republicans and democratic have seperate thread to prevent arguements.

So this thread is for the moderates of center people.

Honestly, I really do consider myself moderate. I'm not strictly a republican or democrat. I really lean to both sides. I've been raised democrat but now that I;m older I think for mysef.

Nowaways in America it's like there are really 4 heated issues that seperate republicans and democrats: abortion, gay marriage, immigration, and the War in Iraq.

For me with abortion - I do think it is morally wrong. But that's my opinion and I don't believe that it should be outlawed just because some peoplf find it wrong. Even though personally I think it's wrong...I think it's a woman's choice if she wants to be moral or not.

gay marriage - I have no problem with gay people and I think everyone should do what works for them. As far as legally getting married, no

Immigration - I live in Texas I'm right in the center of it.

Iraq - I have no ill feeling towards republicans, I just really don't like Bush...okay I was in middle school and I clearly remember Florida being blue for like 2 hours then it turning red magically and him winning.

I believe we just need to leave Iraq alone it's not our job to fix them, hell give the UN and that side of the world something to do. We need to get those soldiers out of Iraq and put them on the borders.

Now, again that's my opinion

[Nayden-fan868]

Oh give me a break, I know that there are people out there who are not strictly democrat or republican.

This thread is for the republicans who agree with somethings democrats say and for democrats who agree with somethings republicans.

You can be a republican and hate Bush...I know there are millions who do

[chicah]

Good thread. If I lived in America I would without doubt consider myself a Democrat. But it's almost comic to see how much the two sides hate to admit that they agree with anything that comes from the other side. Come on, folks, better just admit it! Know you agree on certain things!

[ceilirose]

Originally Posted by chicah (View Post) Good thread. If I lived in America I would without doubt consider myself a Democrat. But it's almost comic to see how much the two sides hate to admit that they agree with anything that comes from the other side. Come on, folks, better just admit it! Know you agree on certain things!

Ok..what do we agree on? I'm not trying to be difficult but you're kind of chiding us and telling us to admit things that only you seem to know?

You've admitted you've never been to the US? Am I right?

I'm not trying to start a fight but just want to know.

[Nayden-fan868]

Originally Posted by ceilirose (View Post) Ok..what do we agree on? I'm not trying to be difficult but you're kind of chiding us and telling us to admit things that only you seem to know? You've admitted you've never been to the US? Am I right? I'm not trying to start a fight but just want to know.

I love your signature, I'm guessing "an end of an error" would be in reference to Bush no more


I think they mean that some democrats agree with republicans and vice versa, I'm sure there are so many republicans that agree with democrats that we should have never went to Iraq and we need to get out now

[ceilirose]

Originally Posted by Nayden-fan868 (View Post) I love your signature, I'm guessing "an end of an error" would be in reference to Bush no more

I saw it somewhere on a t-shirt and the words fit in more ways than one.

I think they mean that some democrats agree with republicans and vice versa, I'm sure there are so many republicans that agree with democrats that we should have never went to Iraq and we need to get out now

I've voted for Republicans before, never for President, but for local and state offices. Sure there are Republicans and Democrats that think Iraq was a mistake. There's a difference though in other issues - minimum wage, reproductive rights, taxes etc.

Anyway..we do have the 'haven' threads for a reason. It gets pretty crazy here at times and both of the haven threads work. I had a hard time this past summer reinstating the Democratic thread so I'd hate to see either of them have problems.

[UnsilentMajorty]

I don't post here very often any more... This includes FF as a whole...

But I want to address this thread in particular because this thread is actually where a lot of the U.S. population and even politicians, regardless of political affiliation and leanings used to be before this sudden shift to extremism the U.S. is currently experiencing on a lot of fronts.

I happen to be a moderate even though I have voted both Republican, and Democrat. I lean more towards the Democratic party because I feel a third party who really reflects my views would never have a snow ball's chance in Hell of being able to get into any kind of position of power (WH; House; Senate) where they could influence policy and have a real, lasting impact.

I am pro-choice (Woman's right to choose), but for the Death Penalty if the perpetrator shows no remorse and it is a truly heinous crime.

I believe in a strong defense and military, but I don't believe in arbitrarily being the world's police force... UNLESS the U.N. and the nation seeking aid specifically asks for our help, I.E. Somalia, 1993, when we sent the Marines, Delta Force and 160th SOAR to get rid of Muhammed Far Adid, who was responsible for over half a million people starving to death. The same applies to Bosnia Herzegovina.

On the same note, I also believe there are legitimate threats in the world like Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda, as well as North Korea, and Iran, and we should be ready for those as well... But we should always try diplomacy first because this John Wayne, cowboy attitude the current administration has adopted has made the world much more unsafe than even pre-9/11 because of their "might makes right; shoot first and ask questions later" foreign policy... Which also doesn't really have any troops to enforce anymore, but I digress.

I believe in Freedom of Religion, but this also means Freedom from Religion -- Any religion -- That tries to influence public, secular policy because there is a clear separation of Church and State in the Constitution and it was put there for a reason by our founding fathers.

I believe in raising the minimum wage to help the dwindling middle-class, but I also believe in setting up assistance for small businesses that will allow them to stay in business if raising the minimum wage would cause them and others to have to raise prises on goods and services, or go out of business as a result.

I believe in Social Service programs like Welfare and Government Housing, but only if persons on these programs are making a legitimate effort to find full-time employment in either a career or trade.

I believe in being environmentally aware and I favor new, cleaner renewable sources of energy, but I also believe those who make their living in industries that rely on oil and other finite resources... Like the automobile industry... Can be transitioned over to "Green" technologies in order to save jobs because real world data has proved countries outside the U.S. who are producing more Green cars are having higher profits (increased sales) because the general public wants more environmentally responsible products as consumers and they will buy those from companies who are willing to produce them.

I also believe in raising taxes on all income levels as long as it means we have good infrastructures, first responders and other public services like parks and Community Centers to help troubled kids... Especially, in the inner-city which is always overlooked in favor of White Suburbia when public funds and policies involving distribution of public funds are made. There are wars going on outside this country, but there are literally wars going on in our own poor neighborhoods every day and this is no exaggeration and it is going to cost us as far as an educated and physically capable workforce, let alone the obvious issues like increasing crime rate and poverty.

Basically, I believe in a common sense approach that doesn't try and force itself on others who disagree... On either side of the spectrum... And an approach that is willing to accept ideas from anybody on any side as long as it is a GOOD idea that helps more than just the status quo of the super rich, or the super poor.

......

The problem with being a moderate is the U.S. right now is the climate of this country is not very open to this (it is considered weak by some and just plain crazy by others) and there is too much anger and resentment on both sides to the point it is more about proving who is right or wrong... Also accompanied with "If you disagree, F-You!"... Rather than actually helping people. Anyone. Of any party, religion, race, gender or whatever.

This is not going to benefit us as a country, as citizens, or most importantly as human beings. Nor is it going to benefit our children which is the really unfortunate part...

[Nayden-fan868]

^_^ Wow I agree with everything you said. I believe in the exact same things

[elisheva]

Hurray, centrism! I'm not going to bother posting all my opinions (that would take way too long and you'd all get bored!) but I do try to stay moderate. I'm right of centre on some things, left of centre on others - of course, where that 'centre' is depends entirely on context! (For example, my provionce of Quebec tends more left-wing than the ROC, so I suppose in contrast I might sound more right-wing.)
I have trouble sticking with any political party - I disagree with all of them on some things. Right now I'm rooting for Bob Rae for Liberal leadership - not that that means anything to any non-Canadians, I guess.

[sportsfangirl]

Yay! A thread us the middle people! hopefully things'll be civil in here.

Okay, this is where I stand--obviously, I'm neither Dem or Republican (corruption is rampant on both sides, so IMO, neither one can downtalk the other).

Other than that, I'm Pro-Life, against Gay Marriage, against the death penalty...so on. Anyway, nice to see some familiar faces on the thread.

[Nayden-fan868]

Welcome Do you lean more to one side while still staying in the middle?

[sportsfangirl]

Um, it's hard to say--I guess I'd lean a little more to the Conservative side.

Thanks for the welcome!