[ceilirose]

Hey all..couldn't think of another title but open to suggestions if anyone else has a better thought.

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[ceilirose]

Originally posted by ros2nz You know, it makes me sick that the entire fiasco is now wholly the CIA's fault. Bush and Co, Blair included, started the war. They should be held accountable for at least some parts of it. The war was a farce, and on top of it, Abu Ghraib is a pretty big problem. When will Bush acknowledge that he did something wrong? No, it's all about how he was mislead, how he was wronged, so on and so forth. No admission of faults. Oh no, the buck stops just a few men short of him. ETA - what's this about the 'w' ketchup?

The ketchup? Teresa Heinz Kerry's first husband was a Heinz - you know the ketchup, soup, condiment people. Heinz is a worldwide company with factories in alot of countries if I'm not mistaken.

Now Heinz was a Republican Senator and his money and family business were just fine and dandy when he was living. He dies, his wife marries Kerry and the money is tainted somehow. LOL..you know how us 'evil Liberal Democrats' cause so much trouble.

Anyway my take is that it's somehow a foreign company or maybe it has to do with the fact the Teresa is a naturalized American and not native born. Anyway..this Wketchup is all-American and I guess better?

Silly stuff, no?

ITA on the rest of your post. Bush will never take responsiblity for anything to do with Iraq, WMD or the mess over there.

Abu Ghraib? Rumsfeld is nowhere to be found and the Senate has postponed any more hearings.

He just has to be voted out..simple as that.

[UnsilentMajorty]

(Bringing this over from the tail end of the other thread):

RE: W-Ketchup...

It's just desperation on the Extremists part at this point. It really is.

Contrary to what Bush believes... A lot of the country -- even moderate Conservatives -- Are finally coming around to the fact that the war in Iraq was nothing more than a power-grap attempt and not about WMD like the administration claimed.

At this point, a lot of their attack ads (against Kerry and Edwards) are just like rabid dogs trying to start a fight with other rabid dogs... Except there ARE no dogs to fight

People are finally starting not to be afraid anymore and speaking their mind(s).

I hope that if Kerry is elected he repeals the Patriot Act and scatters it to the four winds.

That thing ressembles Nazi Germany is so many ways it is not even funny (I suggest you all read it if you havent; truly scary stuff considering it gives the Govt. blanket powers to use any and all means necessary (some illegal) to investigate and prosecute so-called "terrorists"... Or, as in this case, anyone who doesn't agree with the Extreme Right's POV.

Originally posted by ros2nz You know, it makes me sick that the entire fiasco is now wholly the CIA's fault. Bush and Co, Blair included, started the war. They should be held accountable for at least some parts of it. The war was a farce, and on top of it, Abu Ghraib is a pretty big problem. When will Bush acknowledge that he did something wrong? No, it's all about how he was mislead, how he was wronged, so on and so forth. No admission of faults. Oh no, the buck stops just a few men short of him.

That's typical of ANY one in power, though, unfortunately.

You're never going to get true accountability in the sense you (and possibly everyone else) are looking for.

Look at Martha Stewart as an example. She lies, cheats and steals (and is generally not a nice person from what I understand) and she gets what amounts to a slap on the wrist; five months???

Look at Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron.

He and his corporation destroyed this country -- indirectly by false reporting -- Let alone the lives of the employees who worked for Enron...

And while he is now going on trial... I seriously doubt he'll do any time as well, OR he'll be sent to a country-club type prison where they serve lates at noon and each prisoner has cable TV in their cell

[In Fair Verona]

That ketchup thing is ridiculous. Freedom fries, I tell you, freedom fries.

Bush is never going to admit to being wrong, and I also disagree with the whole "He's being mislead" etc... thing. Yes, I do think he is a puppet to Cheney and Rumsfeld, but nonetheless, isn't just sitting there allowing all these bad things to happen as bad as doing them itself?

[ros2nz]

Ceilirose - Yeah, of course, I've heard about Heinz. Lol, I use 'em, too. But I guess in this part of the world, Heinz is still Heinz. Didn't hear about any WKetchup. As for the reasons for changing....rotfl, I have to agree. Petty stuff.

As for the higher ups not taking the fall, I agree. It's really sad that every democracy in the world has/is faced/facing this problem. At the end of the day, equality is nowhere around.

[In Fair Verona]

There is no equality, it's obvious that the President is so much better than us average people. If we started a war, we'd get blamed like ker-razy. But we can let it slide because he's the President.

[Anabela]

Originally posted by ceilirose He just has to be voted out..simple as that.

November seems too far away. 4 months...

[Marissa]

Hey guys! Just wanted to introduce myself -- I'm a college student, very liberal, and I despise Bush's policies and reallly hope that we can get rid of him this election!

I just saw this article and thought it might give you a laugh: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...mpaign_bush_dc

My personal favorite line is "the Republican president cast himself as a reluctant warrior." Ha. Reluctant my ass.

[ceilirose]

Hey Marissa...welcome to the thread.

Yeah..that's an 'interesting' article. Daily Kos at www.dailykos.com already has a take on that courtesy of The Center For American Progress. You can check out the link on his front page but Bush has done another flip-flop. He has prided himself on being the war president and now he wants to be the peace president.

Don't you just love how they Republicans diss trial lawyers. Hey trial lawyers gave Bush the presidency. He should get down on his hands and knees and thank them everynight.

[imajica]

Hey guys I'm tash. I'm an Aussie, I just wanted to come in and say that I really hope that Bush gets tossed out of office, I think that his policies and actions have had a devestating effect on the entire world and it is going to take generations to repair the damage. Here we have a Liberal Prime Minister (weirdly enough in this country liberal actually means extremely conservative) who basically acts as if Bush is some sort of messiah and insists that we support everything that he does. We have an election due this year also (although we don't yet know when cause the current prime minister gets to choose the date) so i'm really hoping that we manage to get rid of him.

[summerbug]

Did you guys see this?


Ice Cream Entrepreneur Totes Bush Effigy
By CHRIS RODKEY, Associated Press Writer

SPOKANE, Wash. - Call it the burning Bush. The co-founder of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream is on the road, towing a 12-foot-tall effigy of President Bush (news - web sites) with fake flames shooting out of the pants.

Ben Cohen says it's an acceptable way to point out what he calls the president's lies.

"In a polite society, you don't go up to a person and look at them in the face and say, 'You're a liar,'" Cohen said in a telephone interview before arriving in Spokane, the next stop on the Pants on Fire Tour.

"We think it's a lot more dignified and there's a lot more decorum to say, 'Excuse me sir, your pants are getting a little warm, don't you think?'" Cohen said.

The "PantsOnFire-Mobile" is a trailer pulled behind a car. The Bush character wears a flight suit with the words "Mission Accomplished" emblazoned on the back, a reference to the president's declaration aboard the deck of an aircraft carrier that major hostilities had ended in Iraq (news - web sites). An electronic ticker on the front displays what Cohen says are Bush's lies.

The head is a rotating cylinder with various Bush facial expressions.

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said most people in America support Bush's policies, and that the president supports free speech.

"The president welcomes the fact that we live in a democracy and that people in this country are free to make their own opinions known," Lisaius said.

Ben & Jerry's pioneered "mobile promotions" when Cohen and co-founder Jerry Greenfield took a recreational vehicle across the country and doled out ice cream on a nationwide "scooping tour," in lieu of expensive national advertising. The same concept is at work with the PantsOnFire-Mobile, Cohen said.

The project is run by volunteers. Cohen flies to a town to train a crew of drivers, teaching them things like how to crank up the smoke machine. Volunteers come from an Internet organization Cohen founded called TrueMajority.org, which he said has 500,000 members.

The Web site, which sends out liberal action calls to subscribers, is not affiliated with Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream. In 2000, international conglomerate Unilever purchased the ice cream company. Cohen and co-founder Jerry Greenfield now serve as "ambassadors" for the company.

Reaction to the effigy across the country has been overwhelmingly positive, Cohen said, so much so that he has commissioned a second one to tour.

Portraying flames shooting out of the pants of the president isn't disrespectful, Cohen argued.

"I believe that it's disrespectful of the president to essentially lead the country based on lies," he said. "If that happens, then I believe it's actually our patriotic duty to make people aware of it."

The PantsOnFire-Mobile will spend two weeks in Spokane before rolling off to Seattle. The tour began last November on Long Island, N.Y., and will continue until the Nov. 2 elections. It has been to Florida, Texas, Arizona and Colorado.

[migamoo]

All I know is if that comes to Maryland, I want to go see it

Ashley

[ceilirose]

Hey imagica..welcome to the thread!

I read that about liberals in Australia really being conservatives. Is there a particular reason why?

LOL..I have an idea that the burning Bush thingie will just be going to swing states. If it comes to MA then I'm there too.

Just a rant..this whole hysteria about Sandy Berger is just pure b.s. The press is all over this just repeating the Republican/Conservative talking points. What really is stupid is this thing about him stuffing the papers into his shoes. People saw him do this and didn't stop him or have security do it? It's been a secret for 9 months and then all of a sudden Fox News and the NY Post are reporting it?

Someone on Cheney's staff outed an undercover CIA agent because her husband (Joe Wilson) was critical of the Iraq War and Bush and no one cares. It's a federal offense and it's no big deal. The 900th American died in Iraq this week and it's not even news. Bush's National Guard payroll records are accidentally destroyed and it's not a big deal.

I could go on but you all know the story. Now some Republicans are trying to get Kerry involved in this too. It's sickening...I've voted for a few Republicans in my life but never again. The way they've taken to this story with their moral outrage and piousness is revolting.

[summerbug]

I've voted for a few Republicans in my life but never again. The way they've taken to this story with their moral outrage and piousness is revolting.

Hee hee - You sound like me during impeachment. Although I didn't really vote for them then either - probably have only voted for maybe one Republican prior to impeachment.

Excellent point on the security issue related to the missing papers. Seems to me that that is the scary part...that virtually anyone could walk out with documents.

[JohannafromIHJ]

I just read an excerpt from one of Saddam Hussein’s novels… Funniest. *****. Ever. Apparently he's writing a new one in jail. They're all full of self-insertion and purple prose.