SuperDeluxe

..even if there we're no hint of WMD's.



click below for the rest of the story

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/381249|top|08-09-2004::17:46|reuters.html

ceilirose

The link isn't working.

n e r b l e

mh67511

Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop. I like that commercial where they have a Kerry Weathervane and it keeps spinning one way then the other...hehe.

Timeo

Hehehe, almost like Bush. Except Kerry does it so badly, and does it so obviously.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._08/004480.php

n e r b l e

Ok. Then why is it that we want a president who's supposed to have so much charisma and get foriegn leaders to get on his side when he can't even make the american public think he's a straight shooter? according to most of the left george bush is an idiot but he still manages to convey he's solid on the issues.

SuperDeluxe

Notice there is none of the outrage that many we're giving bush for his attack of Iraq w/o WMDs.

and John Kerry would have done the 'same thing' and yet. Nothing.

Nice

ceilirose

Not quite the flip flop that Republicans love to go on about. Kerry has always been critical of the way that Bush handled the lead up to the war, primarily not getting our standard allies behind us. More importantly not having a solid plan to secure the peace and to nation build.

But the press is playing right along. Everyone knows that since WMD weren't found the reason we invaded Iraq was to topple Hussein because he was a tyrant. Remember that God told Bush that the Iraqis wanted a democracy?

n e r b l e

I don't speak for God but it doesn't take an omniscient being to tell that the Iraqi's probably weren't all that keen on the dictator and the rape rooms that went with him.

Also, you speak of having our Allies not get behind us? How much more belittling do you intend to do of United Kingdom, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Netherlands, Iceland, Italy, Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Croatia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Philippines, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Solomon Islands,
Mongolia, Palau, Tonga, El Salvador, Colombia, Nicaragua, Costa Rica,
Dominican Republic, Honduras, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Angola, Kuwait and Austrialia?

I guess since they're not France or Germany the soldiers, supplies, support and aid don't count. I guess the Spanish and English troops that gave thier lives were worthless to begin with since we didn't go with our "Allies."

And for a lack of rebuilding plan how is it that the Iraqi's already have thier sovriegnity back?

ceilirose

Haven't some of those countries left Iraq already? The bottom line is that the U.S. taxpayers will be paying for years for Bush's experiment in Democracy. The major military and financial burden is being shouldered by this country. You can't spin that any other way.

I do remember someone in the Bush White House telling us that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the reconstruction. We all know that didn't happen.

In July there were about 53 Americans deaths and as of last weekend there were 17 American soldiers killed in Iraq. The media and the American public have out Iraq on the back burner in terms of casualties and injuries. Was any of this in the news this last week? No ..the big news was that Kerry may have shot an enemy soldier in the back 30 years ago.

I say what I mean in my posts...if you want to presume that I mean something else such as I don't care about people dying that is your presumption. It's a wrong one by the way and digresses from the topic at hand.

You don't really believe that things are going wonderfully over there because of that turnover, do you? Close to 70 Americans have died since the turnover and it's still a dangerous place that could erupt at any time.

The new government closed down the office of Al Jazeera for a month..so much for freedom of the press.

Did you hear about how U.S. soldiers came across Iraqi's torturing their own after 6/30 and tried to intervene but were told to walk away from it?The story was in this past's Sunday Oregonia.

Sorry..I don't buy the Bush line about Iraq.

n e r b l e

yes that "damn democracy." hateful stuff really. and i don't really fancy paying for a crackwhores 10 illegitimate kids from 8 different fathers but no one asked me.

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Originally posted by ceilirose I do remember someone in the Bush White House telling us that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the reconstruction. We all know that didn't happen.

yes. after bush has been lambasted for going to war over oil i'm sure he's going to take the iraqi oil.

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Originally posted by ceilirose In July there were about 53 Americans deaths and as of last weekend there were 17 American soldiers killed in Iraq. The media and the American public have out Iraq on the back burner in terms of casualties and injuries. Was any of this in the news this last week? No ..the big news was that Kerry may have shot an enemy soldier in the back 30 years ago.

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Originally posted by ceilirose I say what I mean in my posts...if you want to presume that I mean something else such as I don't care about people dying that is your presumption. It's a wrong one by the way and digresses from the topic at hand. You don't really believe that things are going wonderfully over there because of that turnover, do you? Close to 70 Americans have died since the turnover and it's still a dangerous place that could erupt at any time. The new government closed down the office of Al Jazeera for a month..so much for freedom of the press.

nevermind that the US and the Iraqi's have accused them of inciting violence and have allowed CNN, NBC, BBC, CBS and Fox to stay.

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Originally posted by ceilirose Did you hear about how U.S. soldiers came across Iraqi's torturing their own after 6/30 and tried to intervene but were told to walk away from it?The story was in this past's Sunday Oregonia. Sorry..I don't buy the Bush line about Iraq.

so you think sadaam should have stayed in power then?

ceilirose

Pretty rude response actually..has nothing to do with this topic.



No you have it wrong. The Iraqi oil revenues were supposed to generate income to pay for the Iraqi reconstruction. He would not have taken the Iraqi oil. The profits would have been poured back into the reconstruction project. It didn't happen.

What's the deal with the link?

Yeah..nevermind about that freedom of speech thing that democratic states are supposed to have. It's so much easier when you can quash the dissenters and pretend opposing views don't exist. Or they're evil..where have we heard that before?

Old, old stuff..is that all you have to say? Call me a Saddam lover? That's your argument?

n e r b l e

well let's see. either you're referring to the democracy comment which you called an experiment. or the having to pay for the war which i would much rather do than someones illigitimate children b/c the parents don't have jobs / aren't married / both.


considering how the dems are still screaming about haliburton a company used by clinton and singled out for praise by gore i doubt that silly facts would get in the way of thier lambasting bush. "you're stealing the oil from the iraqi's to pay for your war!!!"

will since it's an "expiriment" what do you expect? also, when we called the people that attacked the world trade center evil they were really just misunderstood right? and sadaam is ...?



did i call you that? let me rephrase. what would you have done about him?

ceilirose

n e r b l e - I honestly can't even make sense of your last responses. You're going off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

I'll tell you what..I'm voting for Kerry this November and you can vote for whoever you want. When you want to discuss this topic and not bring in old stereotypes about welfare mothers etc., etc. then I'll be there.

Otherwise..Aloha!

LaraCroft01

Oh does he? He conveys it badly. Very, very badly.

I'm on the left and yeah Bush is an idiot. A huge one. It scares me that someone with void "intelligence" can be President.

At this point, I'd vote for a piece of lint over George W. anyday.