*Ledi*

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1019155924&e=2


so bush is basically accusing Kerry for using "scare tatics" right? but oh..


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...el_pr/cheney_6


WTF? If that's not "scare tatics" then I don't know what the hell it is.


I'm really praying that Kerry wins this election because I just don't want to believe that the American people would want such administration in their country. And I can't even believe that both candidates are neck to neck on this election... it shouldn't be that way at all. Why does it seem that other people around the world know what's better for America than Americans themselves do?

I'm so disappointed it's not even funny.

Ambular

First of all, you can't call Bush a hypocrite for something contradictory said by Dick Cheney. I realize they're campaigning together, but I don't think it's fair to blame Bush for Cheney's choice of words - they're his, not Bush's.

And anyway, I think their point is that Kerry trying to convince Americans that Bush is going to institute a draft and send us all off into battle is a "scare tactic" because, as he claims, he has no intention of doing so, so it has no merit. It's something Kerry made up to turn people away from voting for Bush, and he has no real proof that it would ever happen.

The threat of terrorism is not a "scare tactic", because everyone is aware that it is a very real danger that exists right now. It's called "not bull*****ting the American public about legitimate concerns we may have." I don't want a President who attempts to tell me that I should not worry about terrorism, because that's unrealistic and dishonest. If he tried to act as though it weren't, everyone would continue complaining that Bush doesn't take terrorist matters seriously, and that he neglects to be concerned about homeland security. That IS the major argument about Bush lately, and if you ask me, THAT's hypocritical. It seems as though people will find fault in absolutely anything the President says or does just because he's simply "an idiot" who is "ruining this country".

Excuse me? Now I don't know what's "good" for me? That really offends me. I happen to think Bush is the better candidate and has more to offer for this country. If you disagree, that's fine, it's your prerogative to support whichever candidate you want. Don't presume to tell me that you know what's better for me than I do.

LaraCroft01

ITA with you Ledi.

Want me to give you another example of Bush the hypocrite? WHat about the stuff he said during the 3rd debate about how Kerry gives empty promises? Kerry has not given empty promises - Bush has! Bush is one to talk when it comes to that.

You actually believe what Bush says after all the lies? I congraulate you for that. Bush is most likely going to institue a draft - he's running out of troops! What choice does he have? That's hypocritical to say that Kerry is using a "scare tactic" and Bush isn't. Bush is always using scare tactics, he is exploiting 9/11 for his own gain, and is always saying America is going to be attacked again.

You are calling KERRY dishonest??! Have you looked at Bush?!? That is just ludicous. This colour system of how much of a danger you are going to be to be attacked is a scare tatic. They said there could be an attack but they never give any information about it! The Bush adminstration always gives a scare tactic, that is how (in my opinon) they get there votes. We aren't finding fault - the fault is right there in the open! And Bush is a moron who is runining the country- you don't need to look far to see that.

In her opinon you don't seem to konw what's good for you because you support Bush. How is a pludgering economy good for you? Jobs that have been shipped overseas? A president that starts an illegal war and kills thousands of people?

I can't see how Bush is supposedly good for the US, but that's my opinon.

WalkingOnSunshine

People in other countries in fact do not know what is better for us. You do not know about everything going on in America unless you live here. Americans are in charge of their own President and electing the one we want. And if on Nov 2nd Americans re-elect Bush then the rest of the world is just going to deal with the fact Americans made that choice because they felt it was best.

Exactly.



I completely agree with what you said. I mean people accuse those of voting for Bush of being "blind with fear". Well you know what the world is different from that of the last election. The American people do need to remember 9/11 when they go vote in this election because it changed the face of our nation. It isn't a Republican "scare tactic" or using 9/11 for political advantage - it is a part of our history. Protecting America is the number one concern right now.

Milt Palacio

Well, I agree that Kerry warning young people of a draft is a scare tactic. I don't think there is a reasonable chance of a draft happening but you never know.

The big, ridiculous scare tactic the Bush administration is using is that the terrorists will attack us again if Kerry is elected. They are trying to convince people that if Kerry is elected the terrorists will come get us and Kerry will do nothing about it. One big, ridiculous scare tactic to scare people into voting for Bush.

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LaraCroft01

That's just narrow-mindedness to think that (but hey you don't like the French and proudly boycott them so I guess I shouldn't be to surprised). If people in other countries research and get all the facts (and we hear about what's going on in the US) then why can't they form there own opinons? I know more about politics then some people in the US who don't follow it that much and don't seem to care.

And re-elect Bush? If Bush gets elected then it will be the first time he is actually elected!


Well from what I've read people seem to be "blind with fear" that's why they are voting for him. It is a "scare tatic" and the Republican Party is exploiting it - how many times has Bush mentioned 9/11 in all his speeches? He doesn't have to mention it over and over again.

WalkingOnSunshine

So it is narrow-minded to believe that you know what is best for your own country? Yes, because I don't support the French I am awful I know. I choose not to support France because I believe more in my own country and their views. I am not apologizing for that. Americans apologize for too much anyways - in this politically correct world.

I am not saying people in other countries cannot form your own opinion. But the fact that the originial post of this thread is saying how in the world can Americans not know what is best for them? Please - that is based on the fact that this person supports Kerry and believes that if he isn' t elected - Americans don't know what the hell they are doing.

It is mentioned because it is important.

And because Bush doesn't believe terrorism should be treated as a "nuisance" like Kerry - is one of his strong points.

Ambular

Yeah, instead he's given NO PROMISES AT ALL. I watched the same debates that you did (presumably), and not once did I hear any specific details of how Kerry was really going to make things better for this country. His entire argument was based solely on - as Bush said - "a litany of complaints" against Bush. With every question of how Kerry would personally change the existing policies, he twisted the question and instead pointed out how Bush failed. "I have a policy for this, I have a plan for that." But rarely did I ever hear what they consisted of.

I get the feeling that Kerry is only going to be elected because people don't think Bush is capable - not necessarily because he would make a good President or knows what is good for this country. I feel like he purposely avoids giving specifics about what he's going to do in office so that he has no expectations - just to Not Be Bush.

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You actually believe what Bush says after all the lies? I congraulate you for that. Bush is most likely going to institue a draft - he's running out of troops! What choice does he have? That's hypocritical to say that Kerry is using a "scare tactic" and Bush isn't. Bush is always using scare tactics

Then your definition of it and my definition of it are entirely different, and that we will probably never agree on.

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he is exploiting 9/11 for his own gain, and is always saying America is going to be attacked again.

How is he "exploiting" 9/11? How could he possibly take advantage of that? Referencing it as a tragedy and one that he is trying to avoid ever happening again?

I don't understand how in one instance, Bush was too busy "looking away" and ignoring warnings that he could have taken legitimately in regards to 9/11. He should have known better and it's his fault that it happened. Then he is informed that Saddam Hussein possibly has WMD and poses a threat to America. And he rushes us into Iraq and it was a horrible mistake and he is a "war monger" .. Well what had happened if he had brushed it off as an empty threat, or not a real danger to us? What would have happened with Saddam in Iraq then? After having the entire population of America single-handedly blame Bush for the terrorist attack, what else would you have done the next time a potential threat comes around? Should he just pretend like we will never be in danger again, so that our country can go back to taking advantage of our safety, stop worrying about foreign affairs, and leave ourselves wide open for another attack? Not for me, thanks.

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are calling KERRY dishonest??! Have you looked at Bush?!? That is just ludicous.

Actually, no, it's just my opinion And yes, I have looked at Bush. And yes, I think Kerry is two-faced.

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They said there could be an attack but they never give any information about it!

Yeah, well, like I said, I never heard any information about a draft, either. Just that "he has no other choice!" If Bush has no option, neither would Kerry. I don't really see him as some sort of Miracle Worker who couldn't possibly run into the same problems as president that Bush did.

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And Bush is a moron who is runining the country- you don't need to look far to see that.

How has he ruined the country for you? You, personally? I'd be interested to know.

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In her opinon you don't seem to konw what's good for you because you support Bush. How is a pludgering economy good for you? Jobs that have been shipped overseas? A president that starts an illegal war and kills thousands of people?

Not sure that "pludgering" is a word, so I don't know how to respond to that.

I know what she said, and I'm aware that she thinks that I "don't know what's good for me" because I support Bush. But I am a grown adult, I'm not a child. I can make my own educated decisions based on what I read or hear and I don't need someone making up my mind for me. Isn't that what democracy is all about? Freedom of choice? Just because I don't vote for Kerry, I'm just another ignorant American who should these kinds of decisions up to someone who "knows" better? Please.

*Ledi*

Well if you think Bush is what's best for America, AFTER EVERYTHING HE'S DONE, then I'm sorry if you get offended, but I'm not going to change my opinion on people who truly believe that.

Milt Palacio

You should work for the Bush administration because you totally twist Kerry's words like they do.

John Kerry's point was that we need to fight terrorism and weaken them to the point where they are not the top priority in everyone's minds, to the point where they can't do us any real damage, instead of having a nation paranoid of another terrorist attack. I agree completely with his thoughts and so should you Bush supporters.

Ambular

THANK YOU.

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I completely agree with what you said. I mean people accuse those of voting for Bush of being "blind with fear". Well you know what the world is different from that of the last election. The American people do need to remember 9/11 when they go vote in this election because it changed the face of our nation. It isn't a Republican "scare tactic" or using 9/11 for political advantage - it is a part of our history. Protecting America is the number one concern right now.

ITA there!

LaraCroft01

That's not what I said. I said it's narrow minded to think that just cause you don't live in the US you don't know what's best for them. Don't turn them around to something I NEVER SAID! And I'm not saying to believe in them, but to be as racist as you are towards them is disgusting.

Well she is allowed to say that, cause if Bush does win I will wonder if Americans know what's truely good for them.

What's mentioned? It's probably only Bush's strong point. Kerry doesn't see it as a "nuisance", don't know where you got that.

Ambular

Well, look at you! Seriously, I'm very happy that people are involved and can form their own opinions. But when people try and use blunt force with their Kerry propoganda, it irritates me.

Point being: You are an intelligent, informed, opinionated individual who knows what politics are good for this country. I, on the other hand, am "narrow-minded" and "ludicrous". For what, an opposing opinion? Did I say "I'm voting for Bush because he we have the same taste in music"? That would be pretty stupid. I don't think you're being the slightest bit appropriate in the way you respond to someone who thinks differently than you..

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how many times has Bush mentioned 9/11 in all his speeches? He doesn't have to mention it over and over again.

You're absolutely right - what the hell does 9/11 have to do with anything? It didn't really affect anybody! We should just stop talking about it, already! God, way to beat a dead horse!



This entire election revolves around the war in Iraq and the threat of terrorism at home. Do you think it would be better for Bush to not bring it up at all?

Milt Palacio

You obviously didn't pay attention during the debates, you haven't read what we've said on this board, and you've never bothered to do any research on Kerry.

He's been specific on all his plans, they've been outlined on this board, and they're readily available on his website.

Bush avoided numerous questions during the last debate on jobs, oursourcing, the appointment of Supreme Court justices, and abortion. John Kerry has been very specific on all these topics and they've also been discussed on this board in detail.