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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 2005
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| Harvard Author to Change Passages in Book Quote:
Also, a NY Times article Thoughts? I just posted a long rant about this over on my blog, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. ![]() __________________ | |||
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| I guess I would have to see the passages they're talking about. I think that all writers start out as passionate readers, and do tend to internalize the work of their favorite authors. Ultimately, there are only 7 plots, and variations thereupon. So I really think that the similarities must be more extensive than a few passages for the publishers to be getting so worked up about it, and if not -- well, shame on them. __________________ Because the danger is on the right! Proud to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU. | |||
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| When its word for word for a number of paragraphs, I can't buy the 'oops' defence. Has anyone read the books in question and can say how similar they are? | |||
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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've never read them but as an author myself I understand what it's like to be influenced by the work of other writers. After I read a good book sometimes I will try to replicate that authors style if I thought they discribed something well, but very rarely would it so replicate that style that it could actually even be connected to another author. __________________ Real Gamers Wear Pink "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway | |||
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| Ultimate Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 2005
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| Well, the NY Times article I've put a link to in the first post has quoted a passage from both books. The writer of the original Megan McCafferty has apparently not accepted Kaavya's apology. __________________ | |||
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| Hmm ... I don't know. I'm inclined to believe that it was accidental, simply because she IS so young. Science fiction author David Gerrold once unwittingly borrowed a rather central idea in his first professional sale from another writer, Robert Heinlein. Heinlein was a good sport about it, and acknowledged that all literature is to some point imatative. The professional sale in question was the STAR TREK episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" -- with tribbles bearing a strong resemblance to Heinlein's Martian flat cats. __________________ Because the danger is on the right! Proud to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU. | |||
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| Interesting topic. I do believe it is possible to subconsciously borrow another person's ideas. That's why many authors choose not to read books from their own genre...so they can avoid this very pitfall. That said...I feel like this author did copy someone else's work. It's almost as though she was using McCafferty's book as a "guideline" on how to structure her first novel. Here's some exerpts I found from The Associated Press. I bolded the parts that sounded the most similar. Quote:
embellish--- to consciously lie or obsure facts in a memoir internalize---to unconciously borrow or plagarize an earlier work for your first novel Dan Brown-- to be sued by everyone who wants credit for your bestselling novel ![]() | |||
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| I saw the author being interviewed on the Today Show. I don't believe her. The two book just have too many nearly identical passages. I just think she believed she wouldn't get caught. __________________ ~Connie~ #115GO MISSOURI TIGERS ! ! | |||
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| I would have liked to have seen that interview. I found more comparisons from Harvard's news website www.thecrimson.com Quote:
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| My friend saw the Katie Curic interview as well. Apparently, she wasn't very convincing. thescoobygang: thank you so much for posting those comparisons. They do seem uncannily similiar. __________________ | |||
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| Reading the excerpts -- yeah, I'd say she did some copying. Those are just TOO similar, and there are too many of them! __________________ Because the danger is on the right! Proud to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU. | |||
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| This is exactly why most publishers and literary agents have what is called a no-unsolicited material policy and why most first time authors must sign a legal release that says if there are any similarities found in the material they submit to any ideas already being developed at the agency (or ideas already being represented by the agency/publisher, they can use those ideas without giving any compensation to the author submitting the material. This element of how the submission process works because may factor into this case in one form or another if it goes to court because it is now coming out that what Viswanathan used to get her book published was a book-packing agency which differs from most agents/agencies as they often come up with internal ideas on their own without any submissions from authors and will hire authors to flesh those ideas out and then go to publishers in the hopes of selling the finished material. As a result, Viswanathan can use her book packager as a defense and claim they (the packager) are the ones who plagerized McCafferty's work and only hired her to write out the full stories, aka flesh out the ideas. Regardless, I tend to believe this is a pure case of plagerism -- intentional plagerism -- On Viswanathan’s part simply because there are too many similarities to the point even someone who subconsciously internalizes another author's work cound not do it this precisely even on their best day. Style, themes, pacing, characters and even vocabulary can accidently be plagerized, but not to the point the two passages cited above look like a writing excersize in saying the same thing using a thesaurus and are almost word-for-word copies. | |||
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| It's really disheartening. Someone gets paid big bucks for something they blatantly stole, and truly genuine and original works get purchased for a pittance -- IF they're lucky! It's so wrong. __________________ Because the danger is on the right! Proud to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU. | |||
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