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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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| The Gay Panic Defense? Aaron "Shorty" Hall beaten to death I came across this story from a friend on my LiveJournal. A man, by the name of Aaron "Shorty" Hall, was brutally beaten and murdered in Indiana. Here is an article: Quote:
And here is a link to a wonderful LJ topic about it: bookshop: Perhaps I could describe what I'm feeling right now as "sudden heat." I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this. __________________ | |||
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| Jeez, that's disturbing in many, many ways. How can this be a real defense? Its crazy. | |||
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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Oct 2002
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| ...Temporary insanity due to exposure to homosexuality? SERIOUSLY? I... have no words. And I usually don't end up speechless... __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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| That was my reaction to reading it. I have never HEARD that before in my life. It's mind boggling. Gay Panic? They make it sound like a friggin outbreak of a disease. __________________ | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 2004
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| "Gay Panic" and before that "Homosexual Panic" has been used as a defense (or excuse) in courts nationwide for years. This is nothing new. That some lawyer in hicksville Indiana thinks it could be a reasonable defense in the 21st century is noteworthy. It remains to be seen whether the courts in Indiana buy into it. Having lived for 22 years in Indiana it would not surprise me at all to find it accepted in the judicial system and/or to see the murderers get-off by invoking it. Indiana is a state known for it's bigotry and intolerance. It has been the national headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan -- and still has active packs of them, and has a history of strong support for discriminatory laws. What concerns me more is that this story has not gotten the media attention it probably should have given its obvious similarity to the Matthew Shepard case. __________________ Alex Parrish Visit my Nick Wechsler Gallery HERE Jason Behr Obsessee #165 and damn proud of it! Gareth David-Lloyd / Ianto Jones Obsessee No. 12 -- And I’m ready for it! | |||
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| That is not a serious excuse. I hope those people get serious time in jail. "Gay Panic" is ridiculous. I can't believe this case didn't get more media attention. __________________ April Icon by zabexelith @ lj Will: Money can't buy you love but money can buy you stuff and I LOVE STUFF! | |||
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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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| If anyone wants to link the original LJ post on the subject, please do. Anywhere and everywhere. Maybe if more people learn about, the major media MIGHT catch it, and hopefully not too late to help get Mr Hall some justice. I know one of the guilty (I almost said accused, but they turned themselves in) is set to go to court in a few days, so....I am just hoping and praying that the justice system does something, and doesn't casually brush it aside. Mr Hall deserves more than that. His family and friends deserve more than that, and god forbid, any other crime that is committed like this should not be brushed aside. __________________ | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 2000
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| I really don't think I have any words for this. __________________ LJ | News & Politics | Battlestar Galactica | TS2 | PS Watch Battlestar Galactica every Friday at 10pm! [/B]![]() | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 2002
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| It's so disturbing that this hasn't been reported by any major media ![]() __________________ (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens;only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) e. e. cummings - somewhere i have never traveled | |||
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| I have always thought that hate crimes demean and degrade the victim. They just seem to focus more on the actual crime than the victim. It shouldn't matter if the person is gay or straight. You shouldn't beat people to death even if you're straight and they're gay and they come onto you. These guys who killed this man need to be put in prison for a long time but also given some mental health. They sound like they are very messed up in the head. | |||
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2000
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| See, there are no words for this kind of insanity. But what frightens me most is the lack of media coverage anywhere - no matter how bad the media is, it's still one of the most effective mobilising tools and agents of change. The very fact that no one reports it means that not only is there no attention on this issue (which might, more than anything else, have an effect on the attitudes of people), people don't know. It's like, because it's not reported, people are secretly condoning it. __________________ go easy on me, I can't help what I'm doing | icon | |||
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| Ergh, Jacob, while I can get where you're coming from, there's no doubt that Hall's status as a gay man is what got him killed in the first place. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| Ech, I should've clarified that. It isn't the victim's status that really matters- whether he was straight or gay, he was believed to be a homosexual, and that's why he was killed. This crime wouldn't have happened if the killers had seen him as a straight male. __________________ Summer Wenn man füreinander bestimmt ist, kann die Welt untergehen – aber man ist wenigstens zu zweit. Lieber gemeinsam ertrinken, als alleine verbrennen. | |||
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| Total Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 2004
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| Summer, there is actually conflicting information. At first, it was said that they beat him to death because he made a comment about one of the murderer's mother, who was dead. Than it changed to he made sexual comments, and was thought to be gay. However, his friends and family all say he was a straight man. The point is, that it seems like the murderers CHANGED their story to gain more sympathy from the justice system. Indiana does not have hate crime laws, so using the "gay panic defense" COULD actually get them a lighter sentence. It has happened before. I just honestly don't understand the logic here. Gay or straight, Mr Hall was BRUTALLY murdered. The fact that "the gay panic defense" is even a reality is what truly disturbs me. Because he MIGHT have made homosexual advances makes it some how more justifiable to some people, and that is really scary. I am writing to my local paper in CT, and hopefully they will take a good look at it. It needs to get out there, people need to know that this is happening. __________________ | |||
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