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Lexis

Well, he's confessed and they have evidence so they should be able to get a solid conviction. I wonder if they managed to shut down this sick operation at the other end too so they can rescue these girls. Its so awful to think they might still be in danger.

Jacob1983

I'm sorry but I just had to laugh whne I read the title of this thread. I guess the ACLU isn't as great as they try to pass themselves off to be. Then again, the ACLU supports child pornographers right to freedom of speech because it's their right. I guess the fact that child pornography is disgusting, nasty, and demeaning and disrespectful children doesn't matter.

It's hard to take a group like the ACLU serious when something like this happens.

ceilirose

Hmm..so then I guess it's hard to take all Christian Evangelicals seriously because of Ted Haggard, right?

Jacob1983

Exactly, we Christians are so terrible and awful. We are such bigots and racists. Right?
Ted Haggard was and is a joke. He's also a liar. That's one big problem of Christianity. We have the wrong people representing the religion. People always love to paint Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Ted Haggard as the spokespersons of Christianity. However, no one ever talks about the great Billy Graham. I know that some people have labeled Graham as a bad person in the past but I honestly believe that Graham is one the few televangelists who is sincere and genuine.

But yeah, I have no compassion for this former president of the ACLU. I'm kinda hoping that this incident will help people realize that ACLU is a dangerous organization and you have to be cautious about it. The ACLU has its own agenda and no I will not explain that agenda.

ceilirose

I don't know why you call yourself names but at this point go right ahead because asking you to explain it will go nowhere. The attempt to bait people into calling you the actual names you say we're calling you is beyond old.

The problem is that you can't see the hypocrisy in making sweeping generalizations about one group. Any organization is made up of individuals - you can't expect everything to think alike. As much as I dislike some of the Evangelicals I can't say that all of them as a whole shouldn't be taken seriously.

Right..so we should think that way about the ACLU because of one person but be open minded about all Christians because they're not all terrible and awful - just some. Same goes for members of the ACLU.

Who asked you to?

Jacob1983

Wow! Why don't you just grab a knife and stab me? I'm sorry but the only way I will stop being who I am is if you make my heart stop beating. I know that sounds weird and crazy but that's who I am. I don't back down from anyone.

If you actually read my posts, you will actually see that I admitted that Christianity has its flaws and faults. I guess you were too busy pretending you were all high and mighty right?

Like I said before, the great ACLU protects me from people like you. I have freedom of speech and the right to post on here.

The ACLU is dangerous. I have proof of that. How many controversial groups or people have they supported? Ever heard of NAMBLA? And please don't tell me that NAMBLA is a great organization and that they deserve the right to be who they are. No, they do not. People from NAMBLA deserve to be put in prison for the rest of their lives and think about what they have done.

ceilirose

Well I'm shaking in my jammies. Please cut the crap, ok? This is a message board and you're not intimidating me nor being a threat to me in any way, shape or form. Can we just cut the "you know what" from now on?

Well maybe you didn't actually read mine because that's not what I said at all. You admit that Christianity has bad and good people. However all groups that are diametrically opposed to your politcal beliefs are not good at all - like the ACLU.

Don't try and get defensive to change the subject. It doesn't cut it. Quite frankly when you make these sweeping generalizations about groups then you're the one who is coming off all high and mighty.

So let me get this straight. You moan and groan that all of us don't know the "real" you. But yet you know me..completely. As well as everyone else who disagrees with you. I never said you couldn't post here. That's completely untrue and you know it. Again - you love to put people on the defensive to change the subject so you don't have to give us a straight answer. Now I know you'll completely ignore that and call me another name..but hey let's try to move on.

Then prove it.

Jacob1983

I don't have to prove anything. I will firmly admit that I am a stubborn defensive person. When a person instigates something with me or questions me, I get really defensive and argumentative. It's a character flaw of mine. But like I said before, I probably will stay the way I am until my grave. I'm just a stubborn person.

I don't know you posters personally and you don't know me. However, that's just a flaw that message boards have.

I can't physically prove that the ACLU is dangerous. Then again, I can't prove to you that wind exists because you can't see it. However, we all know that wind does exist because we can feel it.
I just think the ACLU is like Michael Moore. They do more harm than good.

elisheva

Jacob, you just said that this proves the ACLU is a terrible organization with an dangerous agenda - but Ted Haggard is just one isolated liar and the wrong person to be representing something? Do you realize how contradictory that is? Either they're both isolated individual cases, or they both represent a Secretly Evil Organization. You can't have it both ways.

Lain

Er...articles? Documents? Sources? Some things that the ACLU has pulled off?

Only because I want to see where you're coming from and whether or not your statement is actually legitimate.

ceilirose

Most humans have character flaws. That doesn't mean you can't overcome them.

Flaw? What does that have to do with anything?

There is a reason for wind though. If I remember from school it's caused by uneven heating of the earth. The way the sun is absorbed by water, mountains etc. is different. Eh..science wasn't my strong point but I think that's the gist of it.

Well there's the obligatory Michael Moore reference in a thread. I'll just sit back and wait for Bill Maher's name to come up now.

Jacob1983

Some character flaws are too strong to overcome. Haven't you guys realized that I'm a very random person and I often go off subject a lot. It's just a thing I do. I'm not saying it's right though.

The NAMBLA incident is probably the greatest example of the ACLU has failed.
Like I said before, the ACLU does more harm than good. I'm sure that the ACLU has done some great things in the past but in my book they have done more negative things than positive.

Regular posters on here should know that I'm not a fan of Bill Maher and Michael Moore.

*Ledi*

What does the ACLU have to do with that this person did? It's not relevant at all.

Jacob1983

The ACLU has nothing to what this person did but the ACLU in some small way looks bad because he used to be a president of a chapter of the ACLU. And you can make fun of Christianity all you want because I get the feeling you enjoy putting that religion down. I honestly don't care what you think about Christianity. You're entitled to your opinion.