TokyoNiGHTS

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

This war is just showing no signs at all of getting any better.

JW77

Intresting news. Thanks for posting that.

Anyway, you're right. There are no signs that things are getting better. As a matter of fact, with moves like this, it appears that things are getting significantly worse.

Hopefully things will change for the better very soon though. I think the Iraqi people definitely deserve a break.

Milt Palacio

I hope the Iraqi elections can change things for the better.

If not, we are in a world of hurt for many more years.

TokyoNiGHTS

I think the whole situations going to be hard to fix, if not impossible. It's quite clear now that the government went into this war without an actual plan (remembers the Mission Accomplished sign on the boat?). Now you're in a war and you're scrambling to figure out what you're suppose to do and nothing is really working. We've been at war for awhile now and there's no real sign of progress or and end to it...Even the people that have fully supported this war from the start should start being skeptical as to whether or not we should've ever went.

UnsilentMajorty

This is our generation's (for those of us under 30) Vietnam.

You heard about the suicide bombing of the US base a few days ago, correct?

The guy who blew himself up was sitting at a table eating with U.S. troops in the mess tent. Literally.

If that doesn't have Vietnam-like similarities -- to where we don't even know who the enemy is -- I don't know what does.

Also, there aren't going to be elections in Janurary.

What? One, two cities "Vote" and that means the country has achieved democracy? Please...

And don't count on people whom support this war, either the administration or some of the general population, to ever be held accountable or admit it is wrong.

The word "responsibility" is a foreign concept to them... Even when their own loved ones are killed in wars like this that didn't have to happen and that is the saddest and most disturbing part of all.

TokyoNiGHTS

Sadly you're probably right. I wonder if they just refuse to say the war was wrong because as some say, it brings down troop morale, or is it because they just really believe its going right. I don't think troop morale can be brought down anymore than being there as long as they have without anything really going right. And as far as things really going right, i'd like to know what they're seeing that alot of other people don't.

UnsilentMajorty

Here is what is going on over there from various sources:

In a nutshell: Complete Choas.

The U.S. and its "allies" (whosever left) has very little control of the country and just a few major cities like Bagdhad and Mousul.

The borders aren't secure and Al Queda and other relgious zealots keep coming over the borders from Syria and other countries to fight the Americans.

-It turns out the suicide bomber who blew himself up in the mess a few days ago was in fact wearing an Iraqi Army uniform.

This means the U.S. can not trust anyone anymore. Like I said, its Vietnam all over again.

-Iraqi citizens are now the victims of the Iraqi insurgents (who are actually other Iraqi citizens turned soldiers, ironically) and various terrorist/religious groups and are afraid to go out of their own homes out of fear of being killed, kidnapped, raped and God knows what else.

-Basic utilities such as electricity and water are sporadic at best and can't be counted on by normal citizens outside uncontrolled zones.

-There is high unemployment because most of the reconstruction is being done by Haliburton and other foreign companies... This fuels the masses to join the insurgents because they can't feed their families and the insurgency network can and does.

-U.S. soldiers don't have the equipment they need like body armor, night vision, walkie talkies and other basic items and are having their families send them to them via internet shipping companies as birthday/christmas/anniversary gifts.

-U.S. troop vehicles are not properly armored correctly and they are having to scavange around and build make-shift "war wagons" out of spare parts just to keep them alive when they go out into the cities (most drive at 60 MPH in some of the bad parts and don't even stop that is how bad it is).

-U.S. motor pools are actually lacking basic parts such as carberators, shocks, tires and other things and soldiers are having to scavange broken down vehicles to make whole, operable ones...

And then being court-martialed for doing what it takes to survive.

And you wonder why no one wants to join-up right now, hence an impending draft, and why some people think what is going on over there is just hunky dory?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt is it?