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| Famous Harvard Professor Arrested For Breaking Into His Own House: Stirs Race Debate Everyone is talking about this: A distinguished professor at Harvard University was arrested after police investigated claims that he was trying to break into a house. The professor is Henry Louis Gates Jr., and the house was his own. Gates, who is African-American, has written many books on race relations, hosted a public TV series and more. His race factors into the incident because of how it started — with a call to police about what "two black males" were doing. Steve Inskeep speaks with Tracy Jan, higher education reporter for The Boston Globe, for the latest details on the case. Quote:
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| Master Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Sad, but not tremendously surprising. __________________ Sunny "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." avie by Jessie | |||
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| I have to disagree with you vc318 . It isn't racial profiling because the police answered a break in call. I would hope they would! But it is odd that a neighbor would call the police on him. Wouldn't your neighbor know what you look like? Nevermind the fact that Henry Louis Gates jr. is quite famous and always on tv but just on a basic level, I'm sure if he was the only African-American in the neighborhood they would know whaat he looks like. He doesn't fit the profile of a burgular- who breaks into a house with a cab out front and all their luggage on the porch? Secondly, once Mr. Gates showed his ID, I don't see what the problem would be. It clearly said his address on it, the fact that they arrested him sounds like racial profiling to me. How does one get arrested in their own house? __________________ All Hail Queen B. | |||
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| Elite Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I have a feeling this is going to be one of those "he said/he said" situations. But I agree with Ruby Slippers. If Professor Gates showed his ID, everything should have been dropped then and there. I'm not sure why Al Sharpton needs to get involved either. This man is a noted scholar at arguably the most prominent university in the world. He'll have the entire media at his disposal. Rev. Sharpton should use his influence to help African Americans who don't have those resources. JMO.__________________ I'm whipped! Angie got me up at 7:30 today. Did you know that in the morning, they have food, TV, almost everything. It's pretty good. - Tracy Jordan, 30 Rock | |||
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| Addicted Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | It appears that while/after he showed his ID, he was very belligerent towards the officers. He wasn't arrested for burglary, he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Had he calmly showed his identification to police, they probably would have had a nice laugh about it. But instead, according to reports, he began yelling at police officers, calling them racist for investigating the burglary reports. I can't say if they would have done the same thing had he been white, but I'm betting they would have. And while I do believe that the judicial system has a tendency to be racist, in this case I think it's a poor example since I think the police were justified. They arrest people that yell and scream at them, for disorderly conduct, despite race. The guy acted like a jerk and then wants to make it seem like he didn't do anything wrong and it was all the result of a racist cop. Great example of someone refusing to take responsibility for their immature actions. __________________ Come stop by the Books Board for a visit. "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway Avatar by -Tina- | |||
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| I think there are two stories going on. From what I heard last night the police are saying Gates was confrontational and Gates is saying it was the other way around. So who knows - it's a case of he said/she said. However once Gates did show his ID then the matter should have been dropped. I'm also guessing that if he just returned from China he would have luggage, airline tickets, a passport etc. that would have verified his story further. I worked in Harvard Square for years and I'm even surprised that this happened there. Other places yes but not Harvard Square. __________________ "Finally, A guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking" - Jon Stewart on CNN & ABC host Glenn Beck | |||
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And the woman who called the police on Prof. Gates is the Executive Director of Harvard Magazine. That means she is familiar and in charge of PR. She would of course know their famous professors (like Gates) as that is her job. Let’s face it. She saw a black man in her neighborhood and through common sense out of the door. And elderly black man with a cane is hardly a burglar. Quote:
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| Addicted Fan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Yeah, disorderly conduct has a very wide range of definitions, everything from fighting in public to being unnecessarily loud and using obscene or abusive language. If he was yelling at the cops, they followed SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) by arresting him, because as a police officer, you never know how quickly the situation is going to deteriorate into a violent situation. Disorderly conduct doesn't just cover disruption of public order. It covers general conduct of an individual. People are arrested for yelling at cops all the time, no matter the color of their skin. The reason the guy got the charges dropped was because of the color of his skin. If he'd been a white guy arrested by a white officer for the same thing, this would never have made it to the paper except for a humorous article about a guy being arrested for breaking into his own home. The woman saw two men, the cab driver and Gates, at the home, apparently trying to force the door open. Who knows how far away the neighbor actually was, or if she got a clear shot of their face? I wouldn't mind having the cops called on me for something like that. I would have calmly showed my ID, explained the situation, and probably had a good laugh about it, but would have been glad that I had vigilant neighbors. __________________ Come stop by the Books Board for a visit. "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway Avatar by -Tina- | |||
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| Here's some info on the story.. Officer at eye of storm says he won’t apologize - The Boston Globe Obama: Cambridge police acted stupidly Henry Louis Gates Arrest Reports Stg. James Crowley, Cambridge Police on WEEI Last edited by Uh Blah : 07-23-2009 at 06:39 AM. | |||
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Thanks for those links Uh Blah. As far as what Obama had to say, his comment is biased - he knows Gates very well. And this is coming from his own mouth. __________________ HERE'S WISHING EVERYONE MUCH HAPPINESS & PROSPERITY IN THE NEW YEAR ![]() | |||
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| This is still a he said, he said situation and after a few days of hearing about this story there are still divergent views about what happened. We're never going to know because it depends on how you view this subjectively. Honestly I think there was too much testosterone and attitude flowing from both sides. My guess is that if both of them could "re do" this day they would. __________________ "Finally, A guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking" - Jon Stewart on CNN & ABC host Glenn Beck | |||
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| I agree ceilirose, but for Barack Obama to say I don't have all the information and then to give his opinion was outright ignorant. He was right on with his 2nd point about race relations, however not on the part of the "stupid acting" cops IMO. It was Gates himself who made this about race and perhaps to an extent his neighbor, but from what I've read the cops did nothing to suggest this was racially motivated. FWIW there was a black cop on the scene. From what I understand Gates went on his blog to apologize for his behavior, but now that Al Sharpton is pulling the strings suddenly his view has changed. | |||
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