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Old 10-16-2004, 07:50 AM
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Don't Vote Cheney: His Daughter's a Lesbian

I have been having a great deal of trouble making up my mind regarding who to vote for in the election. But after tonite's debate my mind is made up. I just learned that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. I do not want to vote for a man who allows his daughter to live an immoral lifestyle. Go Kerry/Edwards
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Old 10-16-2004, 12:12 PM
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:55 PM
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sounds like a flame, troublemaker.......
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:59 PM
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I bet that quite a few Christian Conservatives won't be voting Bush/Cheney anymore after they found out Cheney's daughter is a lesbian! Sad but true.

The idea that homosexuality is a choice is laughable. Bush says "I don't know. I really don't know".
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Old 10-16-2004, 05:54 PM
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It's ridiculous.

What about left handers? Why is it that no one ever asks if they chose to be left handed? If that were about sex too, people would be going crazy over it.
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Old 10-16-2004, 10:19 PM
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WOW, pretty sure this is fake but even so
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Old 10-16-2004, 11:02 PM
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I think it's situational. I think some people choose to be gay and I think others don't have a choice. It depends.
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Old 10-16-2004, 11:07 PM
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I'd love to hear more about the choice issue TheAngel.

'Cause I don't remember choosing to be attracted to men and I can't see why somebody being gay would be any more of a choice.
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Old 10-17-2004, 01:41 AM
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I bet that quite a few Christian Conservatives won't be voting Bush/Cheney anymore after they found out Cheney's daughter is a lesbian! Sad but true.
I definitely have to agree there. Just not for me I personally fall into the category of 'Christian Conservative'; my Christian faith influences a lot in regards to where I stand on the issues (obviously). And I will still vote for Bush regardless of Mary Cheney's sexual preference. I don't really care.
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Old 10-17-2004, 10:00 AM
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I'm overly amused.

Sad to say that I wish other people had this same thought.
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Old 10-17-2004, 12:14 PM
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I'd love to hear more about the choice issue TheAngel.

'Cause I don't remember choosing to be attracted to men and I can't see why somebody being gay would be any more of a choice.
Alright, here's one example. Someone is sexually abused by someone of the opposite sex. They then make a CHOICE to stay with the same sex because they have more trust for the same sex after what happened. Also, the big fad a few years ago was for girls to be lesbian. I was like one of three straight girls in my school. That was a choice, they weren't emotionally attracted to these girls. They were sexually attracted, or had been convinced they were sexually attracted to them, and made a choice to act on that emotion. Now they're straight again. That was a choice.
Obviously there are some people that are born with the whole chromosome thing that makes them homosexual, which I can explain if someone wants, (having an aunt that is a doctor is a plus). Others make a choice, either because they like having sex whether it's with a male or female, because they're a very sexual person, or what not, but not everyone that's gay is genetically gay, they simply made a choice and decided to act.
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Old 10-17-2004, 12:37 PM
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i wouldn't call those girls gay, i'd call that experimentation.

the whole molestation thing..? not a choice either. because then what do you say to all of those boys who were molested by men and now consider themselves gay? what about the girls who were molested by men, and are now very sexual in their behavior towards men? i don't think any of those people would have any of those sexualities if it wasn't already in them in some way. it may have assisted in them turning out the way they did, but it certainly wasn't a choice, because whatever happened, happened subconciously.

i don't really consider anyone who is uncapable of having romantic feelings towards a person of the same sex, homosexual. there are TONS of straight men out there, who cheat on their wives with men, because they like the sex. those men are not necessarily gay, they just like sex a whole lot. i think there's a big difference between just sex and love and sex.
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Old 10-17-2004, 04:53 PM
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Also, the big fad a few years ago was for girls to be lesbian..
Actually, the big fad was to be bisexual.

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Alright, here's one example. Someone is sexually abused by someone of the opposite sex. They then make a CHOICE to stay with the same sex because they have more trust for the same sex after what happened.
Those choices are often subconcious. If you're aware enough of your problem to knowlingly chose your romantic attractions, then you should logically be equally aware of the fact that not every person of the opposite sex will sexually abuse you.

There is a difference between homosexuals and those who chose to be in a relationship or have sex with a member of the same sex. I've known plenty of women who enjoyed sex with women, but they didn't call themselves lesbian, or even bisexual, because romantically and long-term, they wanted to be with a man. Homosexuals do not "change", they're homosexuals for their whole lives and they (usually) become romantically involved with another homosexual the same way a man and a woman "settle down" together. To call the women who shag other women for fun "lesbians" is completely ridiculous. It's like calling a cat a dog just because it knows how to bark and wag its tail.
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Actually, the big fad was to be bisexual.

Those choices are often subconcious. If you're aware enough of your problem to knowlingly chose your romantic attractions, then you should logically be equally aware of the fact that not every person of the opposite sex will sexually abuse you.

There is a difference between homosexuals and those who chose to be in a relationship or have sex with a member of the same sex. I've known plenty of women who enjoyed sex with women, but they didn't call themselves lesbian, or even bisexual, because romantically and long-term, they wanted to be with a man. Homosexuals do not "change", they're homosexuals for their whole lives and they (usually) become romantically involved with another homosexual the same way a man and a woman "settle down" together. To call the women who shag other women for fun "lesbians" is completely ridiculous. It's like calling a cat a dog just because it knows how to bark and wag its tail.
I'd really like to see that cat you're talking about, and until you show it to me I think that your other example isn't very accurate. Being in a homosexual relationship makes you either homosexual or bisexual. You can't be heterosexual, have gay sex, and then automatically be heterosexual again without at some point being homosexual, and that is a choice. As for subconscious, we could get into Freud and the entire, all actions are based on series of traumas but I'd rather not simply because I think some people choose, whether subconsciously or not, they still take that step and make that choice to have homosexual sex and therefore they are homosexual, if only for a week or a month or five years.
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Old 10-17-2004, 11:21 PM
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If you're in a gay relationship, you're not necessarily homosexual. If you're in a oppisite sex relationship you're not necessarily hetrosexual. That's why we have the term bisexual.
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