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Old 04-10-2005, 03:27 PM
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DeLay - What Do We Think?

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"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today," said DeLay, who was instrumental in pushing emergency legislation that gave the federal courts jurisdiction over Schiavo's care only to see them decline to order her feeding tube restored. He said the courts "thumbed their nose at Congress and the president" and that he would not rule out the possibility of congressional impeachment of the federal judges involved
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The No. 3 Republican in the Senate said Sunday that embattled House Majority Leader Tom DeLay needs to answer questions about his ethics and "let the people then judge for themselves."

Sen. Rick Santorum's comments seem to reflect the nervousness among congressional Republicans about the fallout from the increased scrutiny into DeLay's way of doing business.

DeLay, R-Texas, has been dogged in recent months by reports of possible ethics violations. There have been questions about his overseas travel, campaign payments to family members and his connections to lobbyists who are under investigation.
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What are we thinking? Was his statement too much? What "questions" would you like him to answer?

Although Bush and Cheney have said they do not condone any violence towards judges, I would have been more comfortable with a proper rebuke. As for the ethical violations - a proper investigation is needed.
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Old 04-10-2005, 05:18 PM
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I think it's time for him to step down. All through that Schiavo case he was saying very offensive things and doing offensive stuff. Since all that went on so much stuff has come out about how dirty this guy really is. I'm actually surprised that Republicans are still supporting him considering he's been doing nothing but causing them trouble.
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Old 04-10-2005, 07:37 PM
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Delay has 10+ scandals currently being looked into and investigated. He is everything that is wrong with Washington politicians: corrupt, radical egomaniacs who take bribes and could care less about the American people.

Here is a blog explaining some of Delays' scandals:

http://www.democrats.org/specialrepo...ile/index.html

And the comments about "activist judges" being dealt with are really creepy. The guy is basically advocating violence against any judge who he doesn't agree with.

Delay is a perfect example of the extremism some right-wing politicians are pushing for in Washington. This country needs to rid itself of Tom Delay.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:17 PM
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He reminds me of Dean. Who the Democrat party need about as much the Republicans need DeLay.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:29 PM
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He reminds me of Dean. Who the Democrat party need about as much the Republicans need DeLay.
The Democrats do need Howard Dean because he is a straight-talking, honest politician who cares about American people and is willing to stand up to GOP snakes like Delay.

Delay is a snake. Dean is a man with integrity. The difference between Delay and Howard Dean couldn't be any wider.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:48 PM
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>>>DeLay - What Do We Think?

I like him he is the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party at least recently. I would like to hope that he stick around long enough and take so more members of the GOP Party with him...let him live well up to that role of albatross that he has become.


Milt as always great post and I can't agree with you more. There is absolutuly no comparison between Dean and DeLay
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:02 AM
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It also seems like the only way Delays supporters can downplay anything that he's accused of is by saying "It's the Democrats making up stuff". They never seem to be able to get any evidence that proves that he really didn't do anything.

I really don't have any problem with him bringing down the Republican party, which is basically what all his scandels are doing. But he's now using his position to launch what seem to be threats toward judges because things didn't go his way in a case. When that starts happening, he needs to be taken out of his position. I'm sure Randell Terry will have a good job for him.
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DeLay will hopefully go down but his supporter's defense will be that all those liberals are trying to bring the conservative movement down. His supporters are well organized and have money to spend so it's not going to be easy.

It depends on how the media reports this. If they stick with the line that the Democrats are trying to bring him down instead of reporting the facts (his many transgressions) then he might survive this. Remember the media kept on saying that the country was divided on the Schiavo issue when public opinion was something like 4 to 1 against the intervention of the government.

I've read that the people associated with DeLay that have already been indicted are going to take him down as well. It will be interesting.
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Old 04-11-2005, 08:14 AM
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Except for Howard Dean not being involved in 12 different ethics scandals (he's not involved in any ethics scandals) and not even being a member of the legislative branch of government.
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Dean isn't an extremist, Dean is a centrist. Even the Wall Street Journal says so. (Article here.). But Dean is dishonest - he moved to the left because he thought that's what people wanted, and if that's the future of the Democratic party, then count me out.
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Old 04-11-2005, 09:17 AM
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But Dean is dishonest - he moved to the left because he thought that's what people wanted
How did he move to the left? Opposing the war? There are plenty of people in both parties who opposed the war.
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Dean isn't an extremist, Dean is a centrist. Even the Wall Street Journal says so. (Article here.). But Dean is dishonest - he moved to the left because he thought that's what people wanted, and if that's the future of the Democratic party, then count me out.
I wouldn't say he moved to the left during the primaries. Now the media and his opponents (both Democratic and Republican) loved to label him that way and it stuck but the one position that he differed on in late 2003 from most of the other Democratic candidates was his strong opposition to the Iraq War. His demise started when Saddam was captured. Everything else he was pretty moderate on.

The MSM portrayed him as some sort of radical, leftist hippy from the farmlands of Vermont when in truth he was a fMD in a small practice with his wife who as Governor of Vermont was fiscally conservative. I followed him and the other candidates quite closely during the primaries and this whole wild eyed radical label thrown on Dean was mostly the result of the media being forcefed that bull from others.

But it's all OT isn't it? Hopefully this thread doesn't get hijacked by discussing Dean when DeLay is the one we should be focusing on.
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DeLay's comments show that he apparently doesn't understand the way his own government works. The PURPOSE of the judicial branch is to be a branch that is unaccountable to voters. Federal judges are appointed so that they can act based on their own judgment and NOT based on whether or not they're going to get reelected. Their job is to interpret the Constitution, even if it goes against the will of the voters (which it didn't, in this case) or the will of the (gasp!) allmighty Congress.
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