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To me, it's a pretty severe endictment of a person when they go after an animal.
You know, it's the whole "look at how a person treats those who have less power than they do" thing. I think that officer must have been scared and twitchy to do something like that. If that's the case, though, he's in the wrong line of duty. __________________
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We've got to strike that balance between doing our duty by the past victim and preventing others in the future, IMO the emphasis has tipped too far toward the latter. Quote:
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I remember that my girlfriend was over at her sister's apartment when her sister was getting out of a relationship and things weren't going well. The relationship was abusive and we were worried about her sister's safety so the police were called. My girlfriend's sister had two dogs and one of them were barking and the cop pointed his taser at the dog and said that if she couldn't get the ********** dog to shut up he was going to tase it. I wish I'd been there. I would have made sure to note his name and I'd have contacted the chief to let him know that one of his officers couldn't keep his cool around a barking dog. Probably wouldn't have led to anything, but I might have written a couple anonymous letters to the newspaper as well. Some people just aren't meant for the job. It's a pity though that you only hear about cops when they die or do something stupid. Most of them do great things but they'll never be recognized for that.
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The chief of this department is really starting to irritate me. He held a press conference basically indicating you can't hold the cop responsible because an Austin police officer was recently killed. I'm truly sorry to hear that, I think cop killers are the scum of the earth, but #1, if this officer was THAT traumatized, he had no business on the job and #2, I'm not sure what that has to do with a barking dog. The officer who died wasn't killed by a dog. Obviously, some animal control reports regarding the dead dog (which any dog owner in the US could tell you are not serious or alarming reports, just over-reactive people terrified of dogs) were pretty clear leaked by the department. This- and similar crap was pulled by the Sanford police department- is the kind of thing that makes people not trust cops even if most of it is unwarranted. Deflecting blame isn't going to make you any more popular. There's a tape of this incident. We know what happened. We know there was no time for some deadly dog attack, and that the officer didn't give the owner ANY time to restrain the dog before shooting him. We know he pulled his gun too quickly on an unarmed man as it was.
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The thin blue line is gathering around its own. I can't say I fault them for it. Hopefully, though, there will be independent review. When a police officer comes under suspicion, it shouldn't be up to his peers to decide what happens next.
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I do believe in doing our duty to the victims of crimes, but I'm not sure that's the role of the prison system. Not that I'm the expert here. I just think that, once they're incarcerated, it becomes a bit more about what we owe to society upon their release and what we owe the guards tasked with herding the convicts... So if good behaviour gets them access to TV time and a Play Station, then I say give it to them. I think their stay in prison is about more important things. Quote:
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It's looking like the remains of the original boy on the milk carton may have at long last been found.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/ny...r-remains.html __________________
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That's good news I suppose - at least it'd be some sort of closure to the family.
Interesting new video in the Trayvon Martin case - maybe it's not as black and white as initially thought: __________________
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I never thought it was black and white. I have no doubts that Trayvon Martin might have attacked this man, but I'd argue that he was justified. If I was being followed by a man through a neighborhood and he stopped me and started telling me to do something or insulting me or in general talking to me, my hackles would be up to begin with. I'd think he was some crazy guy who was going to do something with me. Unfortunately, we'll never find out what happened, but this whole situation could have ended differently if Zimmerman wasn't some arrogant, pumped-up, cop wannabe.
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Those still look fairly surface wound to me- nothing that would even require a bandage to stop bleeding. Basically, something you might get while scuffling around on the ground, not repeatedly having your head smashed into concrete and repeatedly being punched in the face. There's no doubt these two were fighting on the ground at one point- everyone saw that. What is in question is who is the aggressor, and was George Zimmerman really in reasonable fear for his life when he actually pulled the trigger. Because if George Zimmerman continued to pursue and aggress Trayvon, he is the one who had a right to defend himself. And does a fight that you started give you the right to pull out a gun? That's the main question.
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Much as I hate conspiracy theories myself... anyone have the thought that he might have done that to himself?
Anyway, it makes more sense that Trayvon Martin, if he had the time, fought tooth and nail to stay alive. I think, in those circumstances, that's what a person would do. Doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman brought things to bear in this case. __________________
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I've thought that about a broken nose, definitely. He didn't have one in that surveillance tape, he just did not. So if he had one the next day, he did it to himself. What makes me think he could have is that a few witnesses reported he had his hands on Trayvon's body, but was not seemingly trying to revive him or stop any bleeding (how could he, Trayvon was face down)- it was like he was looking for something. I thnk he was looking for a weapon, one he assumed Trayvon had. When he realized the kid was unarmed, he knew he was sunk if he didn't come up with something fast.
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Why not try to get at least some of the facts before making a snap judgment? I mean you nor I was there so we don't definitively know what happened. Zimmerman may be a piece of crap but he could be telling the truth. We don't know so why speculate? Besides, it's not what you know. It's what you can prove. The court has to prove that he did it without any doubt.
People see this case and they automatically think "well it was evil whitey trying to kill a black person" without even knowing hardly any of the facts. I mean seriously, this whole incident is a pathetic sad attempt of race baiting in my opinion. People want this to be a hate crime and about racism so they have something to whine and complain about and spread fake hate and prejudice. Zimmerman is half-Hispanic. |
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If a man defies police orders to not follow this boy and does so anyway, there's a problem. If a 200+ pound man needs a gun to defend himself against a 160 pound-16 year old, there's a problem. If a man follows me around a neighborhood and confronts me without having any authority and any reason to do so, there's a problem. Remember "stranger danger". Zimmerman's a perfect example of that. He's a power-mad, wannabe cop who screwed that dream up with previous convictions so now he's mad at the cops and is going to defy them because he thinks he knows better. Jesus, Jacob. This guy's a psych profile waiting to happen. Are you sure you have a degree in psychology? I'm sure the kid had an attitude, maybe he even threw the first punch, but Zimmerman shouldn't have been there in the first place. The whole thing could have been prevented if this guy hadn't watched too many cop movies and thought that he was going to go be a killer. But, you want to turn this into a race battle, Jacob? Ask yourself this question. Would Zimmerman have still gone after him if he was white? __________________
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Jacob, Zimmerman has already been caught in some lies. His original claim that Trayvon approached him twice is made literally impossible by the timeline of his own 911 call, the time of the 911 calls made by neighbors, and the time that the police arrived at the scene. He lied yesterday on the witness stand, saying he did not know Trayvon was so young- he identifies him as "late teens" on the 911 call. And from what we know happened, Zimmerman CANNOT be the sole victim- he had NO business getting out of his car to chase that kid who, by his own words, was guilty of nothing more than "walking around and looking about." From that moment, he made himself the aggressor. It's also almost impossible he ever intended to get back in his car, because he HAD more than enough time to get back from when the 911 dispatcher told him to stop following Trayvon and yet the fight occurred not near his car, but on the path back to Trayvon's father's home. He's not telling the truth that he is the only victim in this scenario. Whether or not Trayvon managed to get a few punches in before he died, he's still not telling the truth about that.
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