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| Fan Forum's Finest   | I THINK it means they can't perform any more legal marriages, not that the current ones are null and void. I think. This continues to depress me. You'd think we'd have come further in this country than the myth of "separate but equal". __________________ "Since Jonathan was eleven, He has been my first and only son." icon:SoapFan2006 | |||
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And I understand where all of you are coming from on the whole unity thing..but it dosent just happen over night. There are many many people in this country who have felt a certain way for a while now, and just because people in this country elected a black president dosent mean that over-night that will change everyone's mind and everyone will become one. __________________ T.Swiftღ Entertainer and Female Vocalist of the yearღ | |||
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Hey, we live in a secular country, not a theocracy. God doesn't matter in the legal sphere, or at least he's not supposed to but with our recent conservative bend he's been showing up a lot. __________________ Come stop by the Books Board for a visit. "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." — Ernest Hemingway Avatar by -Tina- | |||
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And I'm assuming you then also believe that divorce should be outlawed since it's a sacred union under God, and any marriages that are not performed within the confines of a church don't count. Also, marriages between people who are not religious, or who are Buddhist since they don't focus on deities, or are Hindu since they have many deities...this also is not real marriage. I'm honestly not trying to be mean. I'm trying to point out the flaws in putting God in our laws, in a country where we are supposed to have freedom of religion. If you think that God does forbids marriage between two men or two women, I don't agree with you, but that's your right. Don't marry someone of the same sex. But also don't assume that everyone should be LEGALLY forced to see it the same way. __________________ "Since Jonathan was eleven, He has been my first and only son." icon:SoapFan2006 | |||
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| The basic objection to gay marriage is religious but not everyone is religious. Civil ceremonies are every bit as legal and binding as those that are conducted in a house of worship for straight couples. That argument is flawed. Gay marriage will come some day but it's going to be a long, hard road. Anytime religion rears it's head into politics it's always a bad sign. __________________ "Finally, A guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking" - Jon Stewart on CNN & ABC host Glenn Beck | |||
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My aunt and uncle were not married in a church, of course I think they're marriage counts. Of course evryone else who has diffrent religions they're marriages also counts. Please don't twist my words around. The point I was trying to make was IMO with me being catholic, marriage is a union under god. I know other religions see it otherwise and thats fine. __________________ T.Swiftღ Entertainer and Female Vocalist of the yearღ | |||
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The "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's. It was never in the original one. One of the fears about Kennedy being elected was his religion and that he would take his marching orders from the Vatican and not govern secularly. American politics and it's marriage with the Evangelical movement is relatively young - only 20 or so odd years. Before Reagan it wasn't even an issue. __________________ "Finally, A guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking" - Jon Stewart on CNN & ABC host Glenn Beck | |||
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To me it's just a little baffling. The divorce rate is at least 50 percent in this country. To me that hurts the sanctity of marriage much more than letting a loving couple pledge themselves to each other. But in the end it's subjective I suppose. I believe in God, I consider myself a good Christian who tries to be the best person I can be. I think that God will love me no matter who I love, who I want to marry, whether it be a man or a woman. And I believe God will honor that marriage no matter what. Are our Gods really that different? __________________ || Live Journal|| Paige-Alex Dot Com|| | |||
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| Fan Forum's Finest | Oh, I know it does. I'm eternally disappointed in the role the neoconservative Republican view of Christianity has had on my civil rights. But there is still LEGALLY supposed to be a separation between church and state. I do not agree with you. I say this as a Christian. I could not possibly disagree more with your view of God and marriage. In this country, that view of marriage should have no bearing on my legal rights. You're allowed to have your view. But apparently legally, I'm not allowed to have mine. __________________ "Since Jonathan was eleven, He has been my first and only son." icon:SoapFan2006 | |||
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The diffrence is they are man and woman, not woman and woman or man and man. __________________ T.Swiftღ Entertainer and Female Vocalist of the yearღ | |||
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| Administrator   | Well, I'm a Catholic, and I believe in gay rights including gay marriage. I'm also pro-choice, so I don't let my religion dictate how I feel about moral issues, but I can understand that some people do. __________________ When I think of President Kennedy, I think of what Shakespeare said in Romeo and Juliet: When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, And he will make the face of heaven so fine, That all the world will be in love with night, And pay no worship to the garish sun. Robert F. Kennedy’s eulogy to John F. Kennedy at the 1964 Democratic National Convention | |||
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One thing I want to say is that all points of view are welcome here, and we all enjoy a respectful debate. __________________ When I think of President Kennedy, I think of what Shakespeare said in Romeo and Juliet: When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, And he will make the face of heaven so fine, That all the world will be in love with night, And pay no worship to the garish sun. Robert F. Kennedy’s eulogy to John F. Kennedy at the 1964 Democratic National Convention | |||
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| Master Fan  Joined: Sep 2004
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| I remember that when I would say, "I have no problem with gays, but I don't think they should be allowed to marry,' I truly believed it. I truly believed that it was possible to have no problem with gays and yet believe that same-sex marriage would harm the sanctity of traditional marriage. I remember saying that I had a ton of gay friends and that I had no problem with them and wanted them to be happy, and it was true. I did have gay friends; I really thought I had accepted them completely. It took me the last few years of growing up to realize that it's not possible, that I couldn't have it both ways. A person can honestly believe that they have no problem with gays, but I can tell you from experience that what it kept coming back to for me was... my conscience would tell me that it was wrong to deny others the same rights that I have... but that thought would quickly be cut off by the thought, but God says it's wrong and that marriage is between a man and a woman only. And then I would think, yeah, but my gay friends are the same as me; they just happen to prefer their own gender. But, I KNOW that God says it's wrong! I used to go back a forth and back and forth. The next step from there was realizing that okay, maybe I was taught that God says it's wrong, but... how does that really effect anyone but the two people involved and God? Don't we all only answer to God in the end anyway? From there it was... How does the marriage or two men or women really effect the sanctity of marriage, even if it is wrong? And then... Is it really wrong? How can it be? Yes, I know what I was taught, but... it doesn't make sense to me that God would think it's wrong. You get the idea. I'm still a Christian. But the Jesus I believe in wouldn't create a person, give them feelings for their own sex, and then damn them for acting on them. Love can only be a good thing, and it's hard enough to find love in this world that I can't think of a single reason why God wouldn't want anyone who finds it to hold on like hell. What it really comes down to, I think, is that a person can think he or she is completely accepting of gays, but if they believe that homosexuality is a choice, then they will also believe it to be a moral issue, and we've all seen how it goes from there. But, and I am evidence of this, one by one, people are realizing that it's not a choice. Maybe some people never will reach that point, but I think most will either realize it's not a choice or realize that even if God has a problem with it, who are they to be judge, jury, and executioner to others? Fifty years ago, people said, "Oh, I don't have a problem with Negros at all; I just don't want them attending the same school as me. After all, God says they're black because they're cursed. But really, I don't have a problem with them!" Quite interesting, isn't it, the intolerance and bigotry we will pass off on God because we're taught that it's wrong in his eyes. __________________ If the meaning of your marriage can be cheapened by the marriage of two men, how much could it have been worth to begin with? | |||
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__________________ T.Swiftღ Entertainer and Female Vocalist of the yearღ | |||
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| Administrator | I don't think that being gay is a choice, and I don't think that being gay should be compared to being an adulterer or a murder. I'm straight, but I didn't choose to be straight, and I don't think gay people choose to be gay. Our sexual preference is not a choice in hy humble opinion, it's just who we are. I don't think a loving God would condemn anyone for being gay, and since I believe that God created all of us, He created gay people too, and I feel that He loves us all. __________________ When I think of President Kennedy, I think of what Shakespeare said in Romeo and Juliet: When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, And he will make the face of heaven so fine, That all the world will be in love with night, And pay no worship to the garish sun. Robert F. Kennedy’s eulogy to John F. Kennedy at the 1964 Democratic National Convention | |||
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