News & Politics - CA Prop 8 Results? - Page 3

UnsilentMajorty · 11-06-2008, 09:08 AM

The irony is that California is now becoming more Conservative as more Latinos and Asians take over. I say this not to be racist. I am Asian. I am Liberal, but a vast majority of the older Asians FROM ASIA are the ones who have the power and money now... Along with strong religious Latinos FROM Mexico... And this is probably why the measure was even put on the ballot.

It would be ironic if California returns to the days of the John Birch Society (which was ultra-Conservative) when the rest of the country starts to go more Liberal.

**TheAngel** · 11-06-2008, 09:12 AM

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I feel like im the only conservative here. lol

Then support your argument. I mean, really, if you have a logical reason as to why marriage should be defined as just between a man and a woman, then give it and I'll take that into consideration. But right now, I simply can't find one and I happen to be a very logical person when it comes to certain social things.

welshgirlyUK · 11-06-2008, 09:36 AM

BBC news have footage of LA police beating a protester at a rally in california against the ban of same sex marriage.

Footage here.

++Audrina++ · 11-06-2008, 09:55 AM

I dont really feel like I have to explain myself. I think marriage should only be between a man and woman. Like, ive said before, I have no problem with gays, but should they're "marriages" be legal..absolutely not. Thats where I draw the line. There's a huge diffrence between a gay couple dating and a gay couple marrying.

fetch · 11-06-2008, 10:06 AM

What about the bans against gay couples adopting?

**TheAngel** · 11-06-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ++Audrina++ (View Post)

I dont really feel like I have to explain myself. I think marriage should only be between a man and woman. Like, ive said before, I have no problem with gays, but should they're "marriages" be legal..absolutely not. Thats where I draw the line. There's a huge diffrence between a gay couple dating and a gay couple marrying.

But, you do have to explain yourself. It would be easy for me to say, the sky is purple, but without explaining myself, there's no basis to support that opinion. Or, perhaps I could say slavery should be legalized again, illegal immigrants should be put to death, children that haven't been adopted by the age of ten should be sent to other countries. They're all opinions, but they're ridiculous unless based on some sort of reasoning...at which case they may continue to be ridiculous but at least they can be a little more logical.

There may be a huge difference between a gay couple dating and a gay couple marrying, but there's very little difference between a gay couple and a straight couple so therefore, the same difference between a straight couple dating and a straight couple marrying should be taken into account and, since the US doesn't seem to have a problem with bridging that relationship gap, there's not really a reason why gay and lesbian couples should not be allowed to marry. After all, what makes up a heterosexual marriage is simply a man, a woman, and a marriage certificate. Of course, there may at some point with some couples be a religious-based ceremony, or perhaps a more secular reception if a couple gets married at a courthouse. A marriage is a legal institution and most people are guaranteed the same rights under the law, otherwise it's discrimination. I'm sure if suddenly your ethnic group wasn't allowed to marry another ethnic group, say blacks can't marry whites, or whites can't marry Hispanics, then you would claim discrimination. It's the same thing for same-sex couples. No matter how you cut it, not allowing two people to get married on the basis of gender is discrimination.

What happened to, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" being basic rights of human existence. But now, homosexual couples aren't allowed that pursuit of happiness because of their sexual orientation. It's ridiculous in my opinion.

ceilirose · 11-06-2008, 10:23 AM

It's surprising to me that this happened because I think of California as a progressive state but it seems to be regressing. Gay marriage has been going on in MA for something like 4 years and the world keeps on spinning.

This morning the groups for gay marriage were taking some comfort in the fact that the numbers were close but it looks like it will be a few more years before it will be realized. I have hope - I think it will happen but it's just going to be a huge battle. Which is a shame.

No one who is against gay marriage has ever been able to definitely say why they feel that it would somehow taint a heterosexual marriage to any great degree. No one has ever been able to say why what a consenting adult gay couple do in their own home would somehow make a mockery of what their next door straight neighbors are doing in their own home. What are people afraid of?

++Audrina++ · 11-06-2008, 10:24 AM

Marriage between a man and woman has been defined like that since pretty much the beginning of time. Gays and lesbians have the same protections and the same rights under the law with civil unions as they did yesturday and the day before and the day before that. Nothing changed. I dont get all the protests. Me and over 55 million people voted for McCain to win, but he lost. Now we all have to accept that, move on and try to back Obama and support him but are we going to go out and protest? No. Thats the great thing about America. Its a democracy. Cali voted twice on this and both times the people of cali voted against it. I think it may be time to try and move on. You know obviously if it were up to me and all those people absolutely we would love for the vote to be over-turned and McCain win but that wont happen. We have to accept it, I think that applies here as well. The ban isnt against gays and lesbians to not be together at all, they still have the right to live they're lives just like you or I and to choose how they want to live.

Theres nothing wrong with my next door neighbors being gay and living their lives. Thats great. But marriage is diffrent.

fetch · 11-06-2008, 10:55 AM

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Marriage between a man and woman has been defined like that since pretty much the beginning of time.

Actually, the definition of marriage has changed over the years and in different cultures. In America, it used to be that blacks and whites could not marry, and that obviously changed.

ceilirose · 11-06-2008, 11:01 AM

Life changes and evolves. If we based our lives around what has happened since the beginning of time then no groups and women in particular would ever made any progress. Ha..Sarah Palin would never have been a candidate for VP.

Also I heard on the news that the city of San Francisco is not granting marriage licenses to gays now so things aren't really the same as they were on Monday and before the vote.

UnsilentMajorty · 11-06-2008, 11:39 AM

Question:

What does this do to Gay Couples who are ALREADY married with a license/certificate in California? Does it take away those pre-existing rights?

Gay Rights is the new Civil Rights movement of the 21st Century. This might very well be one of the big issues of Obama's Presidency as his term goes on if advocates try and link/compare the fact we just elected our first Black president, yet Gays and Lesbians can't marry...

Bella Grint · 11-06-2008, 12:55 PM

I was about to ask the same thing. what happens to the gay couples that already married in CA?

ceilirose · 11-06-2008, 12:58 PM

From what I've heard they're not sure yet. I would think legally it's not binding but who knows?

**Cristofle** · 11-06-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ++Audrina++ (View Post)

I dont really feel like I have to explain myself. I think marriage should only be between a man and woman. Like, ive said before, I have no problem with gays, but should they're "marriages" be legal..absolutely not. Thats where I draw the line. There's a huge diffrence between a gay couple dating and a gay couple marrying.

Again, with all due respect, I think gay people would see this as a contradiction. If you don't think they should be allowed to get married, then you have a problem with them. If you think that marriage is too "sacred" for gay people, then it seems like you have a problem with gay people.

**TheAngel** · 11-06-2008, 01:20 PM

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From what I've heard they're not sure yet. I would think legally it's not binding but who knows?

Yeah, I don't think they've decided what to do with it.