News & Politics - The abortion debate - Page 7

sum1 · 02-08-2008, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ceilirose (View Post)

A fetus has nothing to do with how it's conceived so therefore it should be innocent too.

That's logical but people's feelings don't always follow logic.

**TheAngel** · 02-08-2008, 06:22 AM

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It's all about punishing the woman for having sex for fun.

No, sex is bad, bad, very bad.
Anyway, I believe that as long as the fetus can't live outside the womb then it shouldn't be considered living or human. I mean, a friend and I were talking and he noted that several hundred years ago the Church defined a baby as a human only when it reached a certain age because so many children died early and that way they could say that the baby would go to heaven and the parents weren't as upset. In general, my philosophy has always been, if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. Why should someone be allowed to force me not to have an abortion when I can't force them to have one. And, the majority of the people making anti-abortion laws are middle-aged men, none of whom are actually capable of having an abortion or becoming pregnant and therefore to me their opinion certainly doesn't matter. I don't want their hands on my body, why should their laws be allowed to be.

ceilirose · 02-08-2008, 08:54 AM

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That's logical but people's feelings don't always follow logic.

Which makes it wrong. It's something that people who disagree with don't have to accept - talking about logical reasoning. Especially when it's personal and has to do with their lives and their reproductive systems. It's simply not the Government's business to make those kind of decisions.

-Electric- · 02-08-2008, 06:43 PM

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In general, my philosophy has always been, if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. Why should someone be allowed to force me not to have an abortion when I can't force them to have one.

I agree with this 100%.

If the right to abortion was taken away, I would feel as though my human rights had been taken away with it.

migamoo · 02-09-2008, 03:10 PM

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It's simply not the Government's business to make those kind of decisions.

Agreed. I don't even understand why people feel they need to regulate how a woman uses her body anyway.

**sunnykerr** · 02-09-2008, 05:06 PM

I emphatically agree with that as well.

I fully respect that a person would believe abortion is wrong. But I find it hard to respect it when that belief is imposed on other people.

sum1 · 02-10-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ceilirose (View Post)

Which makes it wrong. It's something that people who disagree with don't have to accept - talking about logical reasoning. Especially when it's personal and has to do with their lives and their reproductive systems. It's simply not the Government's business to make those kind of decisions.

Well obviously but that doesn't change the fact that some people think that way.

**TheAngel** · 02-10-2008, 10:15 AM

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Well obviously but that doesn't change the fact that some people think that way.

No, but nothing is going to change that fact. There are a number of people that believe things for which there is no proof and ignore things for which there is. My issue is not that people believe one way or another. I don't care if you think abortion is murder, but if you take away my right to have one because you believe your beliefs are all-consuming and completely right, then we have a problem.

**sunnykerr** · 02-10-2008, 05:54 PM

I feel like a broken record, but well said. Again.

The bottom line, for me anyway, is that I believe in freedom of religion and freedom of choice. So I wouldn't want someone's moral ethics imposed on me just as much as I would totally understand someone else being pissed if my moral ethics were imposed on them.

I mean, even if you believe that abortion is murder... and, again, I fully respect whomever feels that way and can totally see how they would see it that way... how does that give you the right to decide for another person what they should do?

sum1 · 02-11-2008, 12:31 AM

The view that abortion is murder strikes me as nonsensical. When people have that view it leads to attempts to limit freedom. I don't have much time for that. And I can't stand anti-abortion protesters.

**TheAngel** · 02-11-2008, 05:51 AM

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The view that abortion is murder strikes me as nonsensical. When people have that view it leads to attempts to limit freedom. I don't have much time for that. And I can't stand anti-abortion protesters.

It's not nonsensical. People that see abortion as murder see a fetus as a living being. That view makes sense to me considering the fact that a fetus has a lot of the qualities that are given to an organism that is considered to be "living," but, at the same time, since that view isn't universal, I don't think it's fair that one group make the rules for everyone which is why it should be left open to choice.

sum1 · 02-11-2008, 08:18 AM

Uh Blah · 02-11-2008, 09:39 AM

The debate can be made for both sides, but there is no debate IMO that not allowing a women to choose what happens with their own body is wrong. And the comparison to the death penalty is fair IMO because if the argument is based on religion than you can't deny that religion denounces both practices.

sum1 · 02-11-2008, 04:32 PM

It really shouldn't matter what religion says.

**sunnykerr** · 02-11-2008, 04:47 PM

I agree that, legislatively speaking, religion should absolutely never play a role. Ever. The separation of church and state is crucial to not only a just legal system, but also the protection of religious freedom.

But, being a religious person myself, I can see how religion shapes people's worldviews. I do think we should be able to see things in a way that is outside religion. I really do. But, if you do believe that the tiniest of zygeots is a human life, then I can understand how abortion would appear to be murder. And... well, murder's illegal.

I think it would be appalling to have abortion be legal. As far as I'm concerned, its legality should be maintained with the widest possible interpretation of its meaning because it's really a case to case basis. Just because I find it personally appalling that abortion can be used as a form of contraception or to get rid of a baby that would be born with a certain disability or disease (and I've never actually heard a case where that had happened, but let's speak theoretically here).... but that doesn't mean that there can't be demonstrably valid cases where, for instance, third-trimester abortions would be the least of two evils.

And just because I don't see a world in which I could ever have an abortion does not mean that my fellow women shouldn't have the right to have one.