News & Politics - The abortion debate - Page 12

*Lauren · 06-02-2009, 09:48 AM

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It doesn't make a difference for me.

It must be different for women, like it is for some men. I felt the difference straight away. (and my husband never minded them. It was a mood killer more than anything.)

**sunnykerr** · 06-02-2009, 07:03 PM

First of all, welcome back Lauren!

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I think it's exaggeration to say someone has ever had fifty abortions. I've heard that after two or three it can cause damage to reproductive organs and make it difficult for a women to become pregnant so I doubt fifty would be possible. I also don't think women can get pregnant that many times in their life, but hey, I don't know, I'm not going to be trying it out.

Obviously, it is an exaggeration to speak of fifty abortions, but I think it's an understandable one. Late-term abortions and repetitive abortions must be very rare, so... well, let's make this specific, I'm not talking from a lot of experience here.

I have one friend who I know to have had an abortion. Once.

So when I'm talking about my opinion on abortion, I can't draw on my personal experience. When I'm talking about late-term abortion? Even less so. This is the type of situation that lends itself to going to the "worst case scenario" a lot.

I can say that the idea of late-term abortion makes me very uncomfortable and I can also say that the idea of a woman using abortions as her sole source of contraception is also kinda hateful to me. But that's because I start from my fundamental belief that abortion should absolutely be legal and easily available to every single woman who needs or wants one.

I don't believe in absolutes. Well, not many anyway. So, you know... I am absolutely pro-choice. That's an absolute. So I try to explore that. See if it holds. And it doesn't always. The second I start exploring the scenarios that would cause me pause, I'm talking hypotheticals for me. I have no such experience.

It all comes down to the fact that I do believe in the right to a safe abortion for every woman who wants one.

That includes late-term abortions. As has been mentioned, late-term abortions are rare and require good medical reasons to be given anyway.

**three little birds** · 06-02-2009, 08:53 PM

I know someone personally that has had 7 abortions. It's their choice but it makes me roll my eyes when the number of times you had an abortion get that high.

I am pro-choice. I firmly believe that a woman can do what she wants with her body. I believe that since the baby is inside the mother, being nourished/growing from her, that baby is part of her and she can do as she pleases.

I go to a Catholic school and the abortion debate gets pretty heated when I'm in class.

**three little birds** · 06-02-2009, 08:56 PM

Edit - Double post. Sorry.

Bella Grint · 06-02-2009, 09:58 PM

I think it matters with every case with each person. Not two people probably agree on everything when it comes to abortion, there are a lot of gray areas AKA upbringing, experiences, late term abortions, what trimester, birth control, etc. I just think the issue has been too political and both sides have highly labeled each other wrong without noticing the gray areas.

Uh Blah · 06-03-2009, 06:45 AM

I dunno if any of you saw Meghan McCain(John McCain's daughter) on Colbert Report a couple weeks ago, but she brought up the fact that it's silly in this day in age to be preaching abstinence as Bristol Palin has chosen to do. And I think it's pretty ridiculous of her to be doing this now after having her baby. I mean she's basically going around the country telling everyone what a mistake it was to have gotten pregnant with magazine covers of her holding her unwanted child. I chose to lay off being critical of her during the campaign, but now that she's chosen to put herself in the spotlight I feel compelled to comment. I think what she is doing to that kid is disgusting.

Anyway back to Meghan. lol I think it's great that she's "pro-sex" because we should be educating our youth not sheltering them. She's also pro gay marriage which is great, but I think she's foolish to think that the Republicans are going to lead the way in getting that law passed. lol

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I think it matters with every case with each person. Not two people probably agree on everything when it comes to abortion, there are a lot of gray areas AKA upbringing, experiences, late term abortions, what trimester, birth control, etc. I just think the issue has been too political and both sides have highly labeled each other wrong without noticing the gray areas.

Which is why the overriding point is choice. People should be given the choice what they do with their own body. In the end they have to live with their decision. Until you are put in that situation yourself it's really hard to comment.

Bella Grint · 06-03-2009, 11:55 AM

this might be why the right and their supporters have disowned the McCains since the election. I saw it coming, I am just surprised he almost became our president if his own followers are so quick to let him go.

I am not so against Bristol trying to preach about it. The pregnancy rates (unexpected or not) are going up and if she wants to address it, that is fine. However, if she wasn't the daughter of a famous politician no one would care about this. A million girls probably go through what she does every day, but no one cares because they aren't famous. Not everyone has the parental and financial support Bristol Palin would get either so she is very lucky to begin with.

**sunnykerr** · 06-09-2009, 06:58 PM

Well, Bristol Palin can talk about abortion all she wants, so long as it's not a pitch for abstinence. I mean, that much seems obvious, given her life experience, but you never know with the Christian Right...

Seriously, I do wonder how many sexual health issues would become ever so much simpler if decent and real sexual education was given to every single child of an appropriate age.

*Lauren · 06-10-2009, 04:50 AM

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Well, Bristol Palin can talk about abortion all she wants, so long as it's not a pitch for abstinence. I mean, that much seems obvious, given her life experience, but you never know with the Christian Right...

Sadly, its all true

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Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s daughter urged young Americans to abstain from having sex to avoid becoming a teenage mother like herself. “Regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only … 100 percent foolproof way to prevent pregnancy,” she told GMA. “It’s a hard choice, but it’s the safest choice and it’s the best choice,” the 17-year-old mother said.

I KNOW its from pressure from her parents, but what a little hypocrite. It doesn't help that whenever she's interviewed she's shown in the best light. She has her parents supporting her both financially and emotionally and a cute little baby in her arms!

Didn't you see the charming interview with Bristol and Todd Palin where Todd refered to Trigg as 'Bristol's mistake'?

ceilirose · 06-11-2009, 10:52 AM

I guess this is on topic since we're talking bout Bristol Palin. David Letterman caused a minor flap with the Palins by making a comment about a Palin daughter being "knocked up" by Alex Rodriguez after a Yankees Game. It was in his top ten list and if you've ever heard that list it goes over the line a lot but that's just what he does.

Here's the link - Letterman Responds To Palin Over Jokes (VIDEO)

This is probably going into the political end but Bristol Palin is fair game for criticism now that she's put herself and her baby into the public eye.

Uh Blah · 06-11-2009, 11:47 AM

I guess the confusion was whether he was actually referring to the 14 year old daughter, Willow which he obviously denied.

The joke was a bit tasteless, but to suggest that he was implying rape is over blowing it.

ceilirose · 06-11-2009, 11:59 AM

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I guess the confusion was whether he was actually referring to the 14 year old daughter, Willow which he obviously denied.

The joke was a bit tasteless, but to suggest that he was implying rape is over blowing it.

Well yeah - basically calling Letterman a child molester because of this comment was out there. Should A-Rod be upset? I thought she was older then 14 though but whatever - Palin just continues to put her foot in her mouth every time she opens it.

Uh Blah · 06-11-2009, 01:26 PM

She only gives it more life by responding to it.

**sunnykerr** · 06-11-2009, 08:13 PM

I don't really get Letterman's sense of humour, I must admit. But, for the love of God, it's his job to make jokes. Palin thinks he's disgusting because he did his job?

I suppose she wouldn't know much about that herself, so it's easy to be confused. But, even if it's not funny and kinda gross, it's his job to make fun of people.

And, let's face it, until she made a stink about it, no one in the known universe thought the joke was about a minor. They thought he was mocking either the virgin mother Bristol or ARod.

If her and her husband assumed he was sexualizing their younger daughter... I would posit that they have bigger fry to fish than David Letterman.

GrhmLz · 07-01-2009, 10:44 AM

Well, it may not be the popular response, but I'm not opposed to abstinence being the source of sex instruction at all. It's not like it can't be followed by choice, it's as valid a message as any. I personally don't believe in sex before marriage and I've kept it that way for msyelf to this day. Because frankly, I don't see that as the problem - with all the access to birth control out there in addition to the sex education, high rates of teenage pregancy are still out there soaring. It's ridiculous, I think the issue here is responsibilty and I can't count how many times teens have responded "no" or "sometimes" when asked about engaging in safe sex practices - they just didn't really have a valid answer to explain why they didn't except a simple "I don't know why." I honestly don't believe it's due to a lack of knowledge most of the time, I think they've been exposed to hearing about these methods - to me, it's more about the laziness/indifference that accompanies a level of immaturity when dealing with the responsibilites of a sexual relationship. Sometimes I think it can be about embarrassment (afraid to bring it up with the parents) when a young girl needs to see a doctor to get on something.

And not just to pick on the teenagers - hell, they're are some irresponsible adults out there too.