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Old 10-13-2004, 05:55 PM
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4 more years?

Okay... I really cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for Bush in this upcoming election. And I could give you a list with a lot of reasons as to why he shouldn't be re-elected. So.. can anyone please tell me what exactly has Bush done to earn 4 more years as a President?

I don't care if you're a Republican... so you may say, "I support the party".. cause I've heard people say that. And I don't want to hear about John Kerry either, leave him out of this. I just honestly want to know what Bush has done for AMERICA... so that the American people should vote for him?

Just curious, because I can't even find a reason as to why he should be re-elected, but hey, maybe that's because I despise Bush & his administration, so someone enlighten me, please.
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Old 10-13-2004, 08:30 PM
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Since you already despise Bush and his administration, I highly doubt that anything we say will be satisfactory to you. But here goes!

Here are a few things that he has done that I think are good and agree with:
- Increased Child Tax Credit to $1000
- Strongly supports Pell Grant program
- Killed ergonomics legislation which would harm small businesses
- Supported and enacted faith-based and community initiative
- Laci and Connor Act

I also look forward to some of his plans for the next four years, to name a few:
- Reforming the tax code
- Hopefully implementing S.S. changes
- Continual support of Pell Grants

These are just a sampling of the things that Bush has done that I think are positive and good for this country.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:28 AM
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These are the reasons why I am voting for President Bush:

I support Bush because I trust him and I believe in his policies. I get tired of people accusing those that are voting for Bush of being scared and fearful of the future. I am scared but I don't live my life in fear. I think it is only natural for people's attitudes to have changed after 9/11. And for people to attach a certain feeling of trust and commitment to this President because he lead the country through a very rough time.

As well, I trust Bush's stance on the war on terror. I believe he will stop at nothing to protect this country. I believe he is doing the best to aide Homeland Security and protect National Security.

I support his position on abortion, education and healthcare.

I support his tax cuts, and I do not think those making over 200,000 dollars need to be taxed more because of that. I have to mention John Kerry on one thing though, because it is a big reason my entire family is supporting President Bush. Kerry believes in taking away from those that make $200,000 or more in order to give to those that have less. Why? Why should my family be penalized for making that amount and then having to get taxed more because of that? It makes no sense. Yes those that are wealthier get a bigger tax cut. But, they also pay more in taxes. It is not that hard for successful doctors, attorneys, business people, etc. to cross the $200,000+ mark. It is not right the argument against taking away from those that have more to give to those that have less - in my opinion. Bush's stance on taxes is one of the main reasons a lot of people I know are voting for him.

Finally, I believe in this President. I think he is doing the best he can for this country. In my opinion, when he talks he talks from the heart and means what he says. I am not saying he is perfect but I respect him and support him.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:54 AM
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1) Bush captured Sadam.
2) Bush went to Iraq.
3) Bush is Pro Life
4) Bush believes in the right to bear arms.
5) Bush gave EVERYONE a tax cut, not just the rich.
6) Bush is against gay marriage.
7) Bush is a no-nonsense kinda guy.
8) Bush doesn't make false promises.
9) Bush is someone genuine.
10) Bush is someone I trust.
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:00 PM
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These are the reasons why I am voting for President Bush:
I support Bush because I trust him and I believe in his policies.
I trusted him when he promised that we were invading Iraq because they had WMD's. Look where that got us.

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I have to mention John Kerry on one thing though, because it is a big reason my entire family is supporting President Bush. Kerry believes in taking away from those that make $200,000 or more in order to give to those that have less. Why? Why should my family be penalized for making that amount and then having to get taxed more because of that?
You realize that we have to get the money from somewhere, don't you? Bush wants to make everyone happy by cutting taxes a little bit for the middle class and a lot for the wealthy while he runs up a huge deficit.

Sounds good because it doesn't affect you, right? Well, we will be paying for this deficit in the future with much higher taxes if we don't do something about it now.

Bush doesn't care because he will be out of office by then. Plus, having a huge deficit makes it more difficult to get fair trade practices with the countries we borrowed the money from. Having a huge deficit is bad for the economy now and very bad for taxpayers in the future. But again, right now it doesn't affect you so you don't care, right?

Now, the minimum wage is lower now than it has been in 50 years. The top 2% wealthiest in our country are the wealthiest they've been since 1928. The middle class wages are going down while health care, tuition, and prescription drug costs are going way up. I can't feel bad for the people making over $200,000 a year. They're doing fine and someone has to help out the struggling middle class.

The money HAS to come from somewhere. If not the top 2%, then where do we get it from? And also, the money isn't soley coming from the wealthy's individual income taxes. Much of it will also come from repealing corporate tax loopholes, rolling back the cuts on the estate tax, and demonstrating better fiscal responsibility.
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Old 10-14-2004, 02:22 PM
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I can't feel bad for the people making over $200,000 a year. They're doing fine and someone has to help out the struggling middle class.

The money HAS to come from somewhere. If not the top 2%, then where do we get it from?
I totally agree with what you say about it having to come from somewhere. But WHY should people making over $200,000 a year help out the struggling middle class? They worked hard for their money-- it's THEIR money. Why not just spread it evenly across the board and everyone helps a little? I realize that's not either candidate's plan, but it makes a whole lot more sense to me. If everyone paid, say 10% of their income, the lower-income people making $20,000 a year would pay $2000 and the higher-income people making $200,000 a year would pay $20,000 a year. Fair, and it would get rid of loop-holes, humungous complicated tax forms, etc. If a candidate would propose totally changing the tax laws to a straight tax, I would vote for him in a heart beat! LOL

Look, I totally understand that the middle-class needs help, but I don't believe government should be able to take away the money that I earned and spend it anyway they see fit. You know the money never ends up in the hands of the middle-class- it gets frivolously spent on $500 hammers and paying for stupid studies that no one cares about or needs. I work HARD for my money- I've spent 20 years working my business 80-100+ hour weeks, plus raising 3 kids and taking care of my household. I think I deserve the right to spend my money where I want to.
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I totally agree with what you say about it having to come from somewhere. But WHY should people making over $200,000 a year help out the struggling middle class? They worked hard for their money-- it's THEIR money. Why not just spread it evenly across the board and everyone helps a little?
In a perfect world everyone would have low taxes and have a good-paying job. In reality, the income gap between the wealthy and the not-wealthy is greater than it's ever been in this country.

We live in a top heavy country. The top 10% wealthiest people own over 90% of the wealth. So even a small tax increase for these people will do wonders for bringing in revenue.

The middle class is doing worse than it ever has before. In my opinion, it's not fair to raise their taxes. So many more families are either living in poverty or just barely scraping by under Bush's administration. Raising taxes on the middle class would put even more families into poverty.

I don't disagree that you work hard for your money. But it HAS to come from somewhere, and I'd much rather the government increases taxes on people like you who can easily afford them than people who are just scraping by or living paycheck to paycheck.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:22 PM
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But WHY does the government need so much money? The government is too big and needs to be cut down. We have way too many programs in this country.

I'm sure if the Government got audited they would discover so many places where they could cut their costs.

I've although of this analogy: The Government shops at Department Stores when they should be shopping at Wal-Mart.
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IIf a candidate would propose totally changing the tax laws to a straight tax, I would vote for him in a heart beat! LOL
Libertarians support an across the board sales tax.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:25 PM
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I'm sure if the Government got audited they would discover so many places where they could cut their costs.
You are echoing exactly what John Kerry is saying. He is proposing fiscal responsiblity, looking for ways to cut costs and inefficiencies and pay as you go.

Why does the government need so much money? Biggest thing right now is to pay down the deficit George Bush created.
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Speaking as someone who's been raised in a family that makes... well, well over $200,000 a year, I can't say I support Bush simply because of his tax cut ideas. I honestly have never had a problem with having higher taxes, simply because do I really need that money anyway? No. So I give up a pair of Versace jeans and a family of 4 can eat for a few weeks. I'd be giving it to charity anyway.

I support Kerry on his idea of taking money from the higher classes and giving money to the middle and lower classes. It's easy enough to say it's "their" problem and the rich shouldn't be penalized for it, but an economic depression is everyone's problem.
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I trusted him when he promised that we were invading Iraq because they had WMD's. Look where that got us.



Russia and British weapons inspectors said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The president and other agencies get thousands of pieces of intelligence across their desks a week and they have to decide what to act on and what not to. If they did have weapons of mass destruction than people would hate bush, since they don't, people hate bush. In politics there is no black and white, there are only shades of gray.
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How much money would a family of 4 need to live comfortably? That's what I want to know because I'm sure we would get a lot of different answers.
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How much money would a family of 4 need to live comfortably? That's what I want to know because I'm sure we would get a lot of different answers.
If that's in response to my post, I don't mean to say a pair of $400 jeans is going to support a family. But feed them for a few weeks? Yeah.
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How much money would a family of 4 need to live comfortably? That's what I want to know because I'm sure we would get a lot of different answers.
It's different in every state. In Nebraska where you live I'm sure it's a ton lower than living in Massachusetts or New York, where the cost of living is sky high.

It also depends on how much debt a family has.
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