News & Politics - 2008 Presidential Election:(Part 10) Where We Debate the Debates! - Page 4

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 09:54 PM

I can't believe he didn't say middle class AGAIN, when polls showed that was a big problem in the last one. I can't believe he, far from shaping up in terms of being rude, got even worse, when polls showed that being rude was a huge factor in why many thought he lost the last debate. It is truly like watching a trainwreck, shaking your head in utter disbelief as "Straight Talk Express" derails in such an ugly manner.

collide · 10-07-2008, 10:01 PM

I don't know if McCain intended for it to come across that way....but it did not come off well.

Didn't McCain say he did not know too much about the economy? His strongest issue is national security/war. And with most of the country wanting the war to end.....he is not going to be popular. Most people are worried about the economy.

Bella Grint · 10-07-2008, 10:11 PM

I think Obama using his mom as an example was good. I know that can be negative in campaigns and debates but McCain has used his POW experience among many things way too much and Obama's example shows how screwed up healthcare can get. I used to have healthcare through my mom's job but after my parens moved we all lost it. So now I'm a poorish college student with no health coverage and it sucks

but McCain's idea of choosing to spend the money and going to different states..what is he thinking?! Maybe if I could find the right thing in a nearby state but how can I even afford that if I can't afford some of the most basic things while living in a dorm?? I just got a job...but seriously another college student in my shoes couldn't go from Tenessee to Arizona

ericfan1 · 10-07-2008, 10:21 PM

I don't think that McCain uses the word middle class in any of his debates because he does not understand the meaning of the word. He has never been middle class in his entire life. He has always had everything handed to him on a silver platter and expects the Presidency to be handed to him as well.. He is the one that does not understand the middle class hard working Americans, not Obama.

collide · 10-07-2008, 10:38 PM

He can say "my friends" 21 times, but he can't say the Middle Class once? People said he didn't say it in the first debate, either.

A funny bit on a HuffPost article....

At the end of the debate, Brokaw asked McCain to get out of the way of his Teleprompter, so he could sign off.

Brokaw might as well have been speaking on behalf of the future: Senator McCain can you please get out of the way so we can get on with it?

Nayden-fan868 · 10-07-2008, 10:58 PM

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Oh, yeah. McCain has HUGE entitlement issues. I don't think McCain dislikes Obama because he's black- I think he dislikes Obama because he feels Obama is stealing what he so rightfully deserves.

I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! Hillary had this same problem. She thought she deserved to be the nominee and that it was HER time. I know she said outloud to herself "This was MINE! Who the hell does he think he is coming in here and stealing mine"

McCain thinks this is owed to him. I don't know it this changed anyone's mind but I do think it made some independent's minds. If only going on this debate McCain seemed like a total hothead. Someone if I was an independent I would DEFINITELY not want as my president.

McCain has this shoot first ask later appeal about him. THAT is how we got in trouble over the past 8 years

McCain sounded like a "mean old man"

Nayden-fan868 · 10-07-2008, 11:00 PM

Also, Brokaw was an a-hole imo. It was like he was saying "This is all about me...look at me...I want to speak.....I want to monopolize the debate.....answer MY questions"

I was like STFU

Everytime he spoke I rolled my eyes and said shut up

collide · 10-07-2008, 11:14 PM

Brokaw.......he was not a good moderator.

**♥SweetBettyRose♥** · 10-08-2008, 05:20 AM

Tom Brokaw wasn't that bad but I couldn've gone without McCain reaping himself about the war and didn't talk about the middle class and low income families. You guys are right he doesn't have any knowledge about the economy what so ever and needs to talk about that in the next debate or he will keep being behind in the polls.

ericfan1 · 10-08-2008, 06:50 AM

McCain bores me to tears when he speaks..

UnsilentMajorty · 10-08-2008, 06:52 AM

Chris Matthews (MSNBC; Hard Ball) made a very interesting comment last night in his post-debate analysis. He said, it looked like Bill Clinton & Bob Dole debating last night because of the disparity between Obama and McCain's physical age and appearance. McCain looked like he was in pain, limping around the floor whereas Obama looked athletic and much more at ease.

I thought this was a very telling observation because history seems to repeat itself. The Republicans always seem to nominate some "angry" or "out of touch" old man compared to the Democrats who always seem to have new blood every four years, or so. I think this is a direct reflection on the two parties values (looking ahead vs. holding onto the past) and from an esoteric perspective it is almost predictable in who the parties seem to attract and nominate as a result.

There is only one more debate left and barring any huge world-altering event like another 9/11-scale attack, or the Stock Market completely crashing... It is my opinion Barack Obama will be the first Black President in U.S. history. The polls are all in his favor, the voter ship (new and young) are in his favor, and how he is coming off in the debates with Independents is in his favor too. It is now Obama's to lose rather than McCain's to win. It's almost as if the rest of the campaign is perfunctory and not obligatory in my opinion.

Uh Blah · 10-08-2008, 06:58 AM

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I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! Hillary had this same problem. She thought she deserved to be the nominee and that it was HER time. I know she said outloud to herself "This was MINE! Who the hell does he think he is coming in here and stealing mine"

I don't know why you insist on bringing up Hillary in this discussion. And I don't care for these made up quotes you like to claim as facts. The fact is the last few months Hillary & Bill have been campaigning for Obama by making it clear this was NEVER about her. Although I personally do believe she deserves a little credit for her part in drumming up so much interest on the democratic side to begin with by competing in such a competitve primary.

On last night's debate; I don't care for all this hammering of McCain for calling Obama "that one" & I especially think it's ridiculous to suggest it has any racial meaning behind it. It's simply a none issue & only diverts us from the important ones. I thought Obama won points on health care & believe it or not on foreign policy. The rest of the debate was pretty even & rather dull IMO.

ceilirose · 10-08-2008, 07:37 AM

The "that one" comment was dismissive and condescending on McCain's part and it shows his character. People aren't going to agree but it hit enough of a nerve that I even saw Republican talking heads mentioning it.

But what was worse upon seeing the debate a second time was McCain saying that the audience member who asked about the housing crisis probably didn't know what Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac was. Why wouldn't this man know what they were? Now that was more out there and more condescending than the "that one" comment. Both were bad but McCain was doing it to a potential voter. Stupid move.

Also I noticed that McCain kept on repeating the same talking points from the first debate that Obama had already shot down. McCain was tame compared to over the weekend when he and Palin were talking up the base. It's a lot easier to preach to the choir then to say the same thing to someone's face.

Uh Blah · 10-08-2008, 08:10 AM

Like most Americans IMO, I didn't know what Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac was 2 months ago. So I think it was a perfectly plausible statement. Had Obama said this it would get ZERO attention I can assure you. But again it's not relevant to the real issues. I understand this is what we do in America; dissect every little gesture or examine any perceived hidden undertone, but that's precisely how we elected George W. Bush because we "saw a man we could have a beer with". I want to hear solutions & for his credit McCain did try to bring something new to the table; this idea of buying up these bad mortgages, although I don't think he's aware that it's part of what he agreed to in the bailout/rescue plan.

ceilirose · 10-08-2008, 08:24 AM

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Like most Americans IMO, I didn't know what Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac was 2 months ago. So I think it was a perfectly plausible statement. Had Obama said this it would get ZERO attention I can assure you. But again it's not relevant to the real issues. I understand this is what we do in America; dissect every little gesture or examine any perceived hidden undertone, but that's precisely how we elected George W. Bush because we "saw a man we could have a beer with". I want to hear solutions & for his credit McCain did try to bring something new to the table; this idea of buying up these bad mortgages, although I don't think he's aware that it's part of what he agreed to in the bailout/rescue plan.

If you have a mortgage you more than likely know what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are. We don't know that this man didn't know even if he doesn't have one (a mortgage). Look it was just a stupid comment from McCain - just more of the same and a very dangerous presumption on his part.

LOL..you predict the future - if Obama had said it would have gotten ZERO attention? How so? Because the media is in the bag for him? That's a wild presumption on your part.

Also I have to disagree - I don't see what's wrong in exploring any candidate's background in detail. There's too much at stake and how a candidate reacts to a situation - both politically and emotionally tells a lot about him or her. What I see in how McCain reacts to Obama isn't too reassuring. We know he doesn't care for him but sorry - when you're the President you need the temperament to work with people that you may not particularly like. It's time to be mature and not the sarcastic, condescending and exasperated man he was last night. We'll see if he can turn it around.