News & Politics - 2008 Presidential Election:(Part 10) Where We Debate the Debates! - Page 3

collide · 10-07-2008, 08:28 PM

Surprisingly, McCain did not bring up Ayers in the debate. I guess he will leave that to Palin. The debate was really boring.

In a FOX NEWS poll, 66% percent of the people said that Ayers did not bother them or something like that. Fox News, guys.

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 08:32 PM

Obama won the debate according to pretty much every poll.

Bella Grint · 10-07-2008, 08:47 PM

Hah well I bet McCain/Palin supporters and a lot of people sadly look at Obama like that. McCain is probably "that one" to a lot of people too he is just to ignorant to notice. But calling Obama that one is a pretty awkward thing to do in a forum like that. I think any average person would feel inferior if they were in that position.

The debate was ok. I think Obama got upset almost once. The thing with McCain is he's a short fuse and has a bad temperment sometimes. I mean if he becomes president that could suck. Imagine if someone called him a terrorist like he's been implying Obama is. McCain would probably die of a heart attack. And I'm not being rude here, I honestly think that's true.

Wait, so what is Fox news saying?

**vc318** · 10-07-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by collide (View Post)

"That one" is about as far as you can say without actually saying the n word.

It sure felt like it. How Obama kept his cool about it - I just don't know.

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McCain.....was just creepy tonight. The debate was boring. It was not even a debate. It was questions.

Yeah, he really didn't look well. His face said one thing but the rest told another story. And we can definitely start talking about how bias Brokaw was but then a thousand more will start trumping about Ifil and so forth. But, I'm happy to hear that the polls are swinging in Obama's favor after tonight. There's still one more debate next Thursday but maybe people have their decision cemented already. I think we can separate the voters who want change and the ones who just want to "kill him" at this point.

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 08:52 PM

CBS snap polls!

All pretty heavily favor Obama.

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Who expressed his views more clearly in the debate?
Obama 60
McCain 30

Who spent more time attacking his opponent?

Obama 17
McCain 63

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?

Obama 54
McCain 43

Who was most likeable?

Obama 65
McCain 28

Every time McCain gets like this- in other words, every day- I imagine him in an international situation where diplomacy is needed, and I'm frankly terrified. He has SUCH a short fuse, he is SO incapable of being diplomatic and respectful.

Bella Grint · 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

LMFAO who spent the most time attacking the other..I have to say it was split to me but Obama had to fight back.

Meh well Obama has been called a terrorist now so I guess "that one" wasn't so bad. It's sad though,how politics divide and mess people up.

McCain looked better than the first debate to me. I guess he was snide in my POV.

collide · 10-07-2008, 08:58 PM

I think McCain attacked more, but Obama fought back more.

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 09:01 PM

Good for Obama. He's been accused of terrorism and treason and it's been suggested he be killed in front of McCain/Palin in the past two days alone, and they did nothing but feed into it. McCain has been brutally, relentlessly attacking him. And now, face to face, McCain refers to him like he's not even a person. This **** has GOT to stop.

Bella Grint · 10-07-2008, 09:14 PM

It though I hate to disappoint you

I mean I am new to this all for elections but I heard in the past ones things always get cruel in the last month. Stakes are high. McCain was going down after the bailout aftermath and he freaked out and went for the lowest attacks.

UnsilentMajorty · 10-07-2008, 09:15 PM

I disagree with the "that one" comment.

I do not think there was any racist, or racial overtones. I think it was just McCain being dismissive (and thereby disrespectful), but based on the question asked about his (McCain's) past voting record. I don't like McCain, but I really don't think he is racist. He has an adopted daughter (non-white) and in the CONTEXT of that remark... It was more to be dismissive than racist. I think you guys are looking for things now, instead of seeing what is really there. Also, I don't think the DNC is going to run with that remark because it is just another negative attacks that will distract people from the main issue on everybody's mind, The Economy.

On the same note, what we witnessed tonight is what Ernest Hemingway called, "Grace Under Pressure" on Obama's part. This is why I cited the Master and Belligerent Warrior story on the other thread. Because it's how adults handle crisis. I know it's easy to get all caught up in the drama and wanting to fight back... But Barack did what he KNEW he had to do in the face of the attacks (by Palin) and that was NOT respond to them and behave like a leader does. In fact Barack was able to come off MORE like he wanted to in the first debate: Presidential. That's not presumptuous on Obama's part, it's smart. It's reassuring to people and it is what he wants to convey this close to the election. Especially, to a room full of Independent and undecided voters.

This is what this election has been about: Who can lead in a time of great uncertainty and crisis. It's very unique because most elections are during times of peace and or relative good fortune. Not so for 2008. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on which side you are on and how YOU are doing personally (financially). Don't lose sight of the larger meaning even though it is fun to get swept up in the euphoria of "winning", or fighting the good fight.

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 09:20 PM

I'm not sure he specifically MEANT it to be racist. I think it was a sign of his antagonism towards Obama in particular. But a white man referring to a black man as "that one", like he's not even a person, is going to be extremely sensitive for some, given that black people came to this country as objects. It's like referring to Michelle Obama as "uppity"- it may not mean to be racist, but that word has a LOT of connotations for black women. Black women were called that particularly in the South when white women thought they were "stepping above their station". It's something you just don't do.

No one should refer to anyone as "that one" during a political debate, to be clear. It'd be just as disrespectful and dismissive if McCain referred to a white man that way. I just think it's very stupid and very charged given the context of the situation.

ceilirose · 10-07-2008, 09:43 PM

I don't think it was meant to be racist but it came across as dismissive, sarcastic and just totally out of place for a Presidential debate. My opinion is that at this point I don't think McCain can comprehend that he's losing to Obama. To me McCain has always seemed like he deserves to be President.

A small but then again maybe not - Obama may have gained some independent votes in that audience by staying and actually engaging those audience members in conversation. Both he and his wife worked the room and seemed approacable. McCain's absence was glaring.

**Cristofle** · 10-07-2008, 09:48 PM

Oh, yeah. McCain has HUGE entitlement issues. I don't think McCain dislikes Obama because he's black- I think he dislikes Obama because he feels Obama is stealing what he so rightfully deserves.

UnsilentMajorty · 10-07-2008, 09:49 PM

Debates are won, or lost on words.

John McCain did not once say, "Middle Class" AT ALL in the entire 95 minutes. Coincidentally, he also did not say, "Middle Class" AT ALL in the last debate, either. People notice "little" things like this. If a candidate cannot even mention the socioeconomic class that makes up a majority of the electorate at large...DURING a time of economic crisis that is impacting that socioeconomic majority at large... They've already lost. No amount of speeches, or "friendly banter" can undo what is NOT said in a case like this.

Bella Grint · 10-07-2008, 09:52 PM

So wait did the canidates have time with the town hall people otherwise? I do agree Obama engaged more with the people..McCain's finest moment was with the guy who had served in the militray which makes sense in some way I guess.

I think McCain tried to demean (sp?) Obama as much as he could just calling him something unknown that makes him an object. I'm not sure if it was meant to be racist. Wouldn't suprise me but it was dismissive as hell.