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Tom Welling filmed his interview/podcast "Inside Of Tom Welling" for Michael Rosenbaum's show "Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum on Saturday, August 05th, 2017. The episode was released on Monday, September 11th, 2017.

I have typed up the COMPLETE Transcript of the interview, and I will be posting it here in ten parts.

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Part 01 Of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:00 - 10:36

Michael Rosenbaum: You're listening to Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum. This week, folks, is one of the big guys. All right, this is the episode everybody's been talking about, asking me about, yelling me {Mimicking Fans}: "When's Smallville, when's The Clark Kent gonna be on your show?" Not everybody talks like that. Some of my friends do back in Indiana, but I love them. But people were really excited. They wanted Tom Welling. They wanted to talk Clark Kent and Lex Luthor stories. They wanted to hear it. He's on. Okay. So, your, all your Facebook requests and your Twitter and your Instagram requests, they've come true. They've worked, okay, cause, uh, he's on the show today. Tom Welling, we're joined, but we'll talk about growing up in high school. We'll talk about, uh, how all of us Smallville actors, we wrote a letter to the studio because we were scared for Tom's, uh, health. He used to have to wake up at four thirty in the morning, drive himself, work eighteen hours, we thought he was gonna die. So, we wrote to the studio to get him driver. And, they got him a driver. And, then secretly I wrote a letter about myself to the studio, and I said, "Hey, can I get a driver?" And, they didn't, they didn't do that. But, what are we gonna do? Or, how about the time, I directed an episode, I yelled at him, and then he hugged me and said, "I was just kidding with you." Or, uh, just lots of Smallville, lots of great stories. He's one of my good buddies. He's been a loyal friend for years. He comes to my Christmas parties and was just at the Houdini House, um, supporting his fortieth birthday. He's forty. Can you believe that little Clark Kent is forty years old? Uh, we'll talk about, uh, his new show Lucifer that he's on, uh, a little third season action and, uh, his divorce. Uh, but first a word from our sponsors. Uh, I ordered delivery the other night, all right, from one of those apps, I'm not gonna say which app, but fifteen dollars for a freaking, I'm gonna say ****ing, okay, ****ing delivery fee. Fifteen dollars, so pretty much with my meal and delivery, I spent like forty bucks. Now I want you to look at this meal. This is, I don't even know how, this is so easy to sell because it's actually really good. This is, uh, the grilled herb chicken from Freshly. I get these delivered to my house, made from real chefs, cooked from real chefs, natural ingredients, no matter when I come home, dinner's made, in three minutes, no mess, no dishes. [Takes A Bite Of The Chicken] Okay, for a limited time only, Freshly's offering Inside Of You listeners, six dinners for just thirty-nine dollars. It's ridiculous. It's crazy. Under forty dollars for six healthy, fresh meals delivered to your door. Go to freshly.com. Use the promo code, own six thirty-nine. Again, that's freshly.com and use the promo code own, O W N, six, three, nine. [Takes Another Bite]. Now, Let's Get Inside Of Tom Welling.

Michael Singing: It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum.

Michael: Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum was not filmed in front of a live studio audience.

Michael: We've known each other a long time, Tom.

Michael: I, I, first of all...

Michael: Fifteen years, and I just wanna...

Michael: Say, I appreciate, I appreciate you allowing me to be inside of you today.

Michael: How do you feel about it?

Michael: Innuendo, in your window.

Michael: That's what comes to mind. Yeah. So, we've been friends for a long time. I think, I really feel like, I'm one of the only people you actually liked on that show.

Michael: I was one of them!

Michael: Yeah, I'm sure you liked a couple...

Michael: You have to say you liked a couple, or then they would assume he only like Rosenbaum.

Michael: Yeah. Now...

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Are there some you didn't like?

Michael: Everybody was really nice.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Right.

Michael: I only remember the bad times.

Michael: Well, I remember, I remember some bad times.

Michael: Oh My God. You remember that?

Michael: All right, let's start, let's start early.

[Quote] Tom: Okay.

Michael: We'll get there. I'm gonna get inside you really quick.

Michael: I just wanna know about childhood like, you know, first of all, were you always a tall person?

Michael: Really?

Michael: When did you have hair on your balls?

Michael: First time?

Michael: First hair?

Michael: And, you went like, "Yeah!"

Michael: "It's a pube!"

Michael: I used to pray for them.

Michael: Cause I started puberty so late. I used to, you know, when you did shirts and skins basketball...

Michael: I was never, if I was skins, all of a sudden, I got sick. I was like nauseous. I was like, "I can't do it. I don't know. Something happened." "Why?" "I don't wanna take my shirt off." "Why? Rosenbaum, you don't have hair under your arms?"

Michael: "What the ****'s wrong with you?" "I don't know. My dad's six'five. I'm four'eleven as a sophomore in high school.

Michael: You weren't like that, though.

Michael: You weren't concerned about your pubic hair?

Michael: You just knew that it was there, and it was coming in normally.

Michael Laughs. [Takes A Drink]

Michael: Yeah.

[Popping Sound]

Michael: What's that sound?

Michael: What's the popping sound?

Michael: Jesus Christ. Rob's twenty-eight. He's got a kid already.

Rob: Twenty-Nine.

Michael: Oh, whatever.

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Thank you. Thank you for allowing, telling everyone I'm hairier then The Hendersons that you worked with.

Michael: It's true. It's like, my legs aren't hairy. My arms aren't hairy. My chest gets a little Jack The Tripper from Three's Company.

Michael: And, my back does.

Michael: But, you know what, when I was bald, I felt like I had to be bald all the way down. I was a method...

Michael: Balder.

Michael: A method shaver.

Michael: You didn't have to worry about that.

Michael: You just had to have good hair.

Michael: Cause it probably, that's right, that's probably a better idea.

Michael: I think that if I use Nair on my head, I probably wouldn't have, I wouldn't have hair right now.

Michael: Steve, our gay wardrobe guy.

Michael: He was like, [Imitating Steve] "Rosenbaum, you are gay except for your dick."

Michael: "Everything about you is ****ing gay."

Michael: He did.

Michael: I love Steve, didn't you?

Michael: How many times did Steve see you naked?

Michael: I always ask him, "What does Tom look like naked?" He's like, "I'm not telling you anything."

Michael: I'm like, "Wow. You're good. And, what do, how do I look like naked." He's like, "Ymmhmmm."

Michael: You know what I mean?

Michael: So, as a young kid in New York, you're of German descent. Did I get that right?

Michael: I knew that.

Michael: Sprichst du Deutsch Kennst du ein...? [Do you speak or know any German?]

Michael: You don't speak any German.

Michael: You ever been, you ever been to Germany?

Michael: Where?

Michael: Really? Munich?

Michael: München. [Munich]

Michael: Ich scheiße meine Hose... [I **** my pants.]

Michael: It means, "I **** my pants."

Michael: Yes. They didn't like it.

Michael: I honestly, the first song I was so nervous, I was like, "I'd be funny." But, my comedy doesn't translate not only in America...

Michael: But not in Germany. So, I was up there, Ich scheiße meine Hose...!

Michael: And, all these blank German faces.

Michael: I, I just didn't know what to do. So, uh...

Michael: You would have died. You always, that's what I always loved. I was like, "Tom gets me." He just like, we, we, we made each other laugh.

Michael: We just got along. If I was having, you always say, I always love this, is that when you were having a bad day, you're like, "****, I just worked eighteen hours, and this and that. They're making me, you know, do this stunt, my back hurts. And, then Rosenabum comes in and he's pissed off. All your worries just got, were over.

Michael: I would look at you. [slight laugh]

Michael: And, you would be laughing.

Michael: And, I'm like, "What the ****'s so funny, Welling?!?"

Michael: You're like, "You! You're ****ing pissed off! You just made my ****ing day!"

Michael: It is true. So, you grew up in New York. You have brothers and sisters.

Michael: Right, and uh, what, did you all get along? Happy, loving family?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: What do you mean?

Michael: You were a dick?

Michael: Really?

Michael: Really?

Michael: Now, are you close now with your family?

Michael: You see them?

Michael: Were any of them actors?

Michael: And, how old was he then?

Michael: So, you were playing sports growing up in high school? And, you were like...

Michael: So, as a little kid, what were the, what were the sports?

Michael: Were you good?

Michael: Were you like the star?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: You didn't wanna work?

Michael: Who Does?

Michael: Yeah. It's, that's why we're actors.

Michael: We don't wanna work.

Michael: So, what happened in high school, all of a sudden?

Michael: What made you go...

[Quote] Tom: Oh, jeez.

Michael: You're making the ****ing noises.

Michael: Don't worry about Rob.

Michael: He takes pictures. His first trade is, he's...

Michael: He's a photographer.

Michael: Yeah. It's for...

Michael: He's gonna jerk off to these pictures later.

Michael: Aren't we all?

Michael: So, when was the first time you said, uh, "acting? I wanna do a play." And, why the hell would you do that?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Wait. Wait. You can sing?

Michael: I mean, I've heard you sing. We sing for fun.

Michael: But, so, do you remember your first musical? The first time you got onstage?

Michael: What were you singing?

Michael: Parents and ****.

Michael: Like a rock star?

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: So, in other words...

Michael: [Imitating Teacher] "This is a theatrical production!"

Michael: "This is not a rock show, Mr. Welling!

Michael: "Mr. Thomas John Patrick Joseph Welling The Third!"

Michael: Is that what happened?

Michael: So, after that, was that kind of like a turn off too, where you're like, "**** this!"

Michael: Yeah?

Michael: You can grab the mike. It's a nice mike.

Michael: That'd be weird.

Michael: That would be really weird!

Michael: Did you just jerk off my microphone?

Stay tuned for Part 02 Of 10!

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Part 02 of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:10:37 - 00:17:55

Michael: So, okay. So, you said, "Screw. Screw it."

Michael: "Through high school, I'm gonna play sports."

Michael: And, did you get girls? Were, I mean, you've always been a good-looking guy? Were you ever not a good-looking guy, you think?

Michael: Or, was it just a natural, look's it...

Michael: I would think, look, I know it's uncomfortable to ask you that, cause like "Ohhfff, come on! Was I always good-looking?"

Michael: Well, listen, I've gone through a lot of phases. I was...

Michael: I was Alfred Hitchcock as a baby.

Michael: I was, uh, I was, what's his name from Sixteen Candles? Anthony Michael. Michael Hall...

Michael: As a teenager.

Michael: I was such a nerd.

Michael: I couldn't get nailed in wood shop.

Michael: College I went through this bucket head.

Michael: You know, the, the hair, the bowl cut.

Michael: I mean, I...

Michael: Yeah, I mean I was just, ugly. I had goofy buck teeth like...

Michael: ****ed up teeth. Somebody punched me in the face once, and my teeth were just ****ing crocked.

Michael: I wasn't, until later...

Michael: Uhhhhh, this guy, like, we were, I was playing ice hockey, and our team, our teams are rivals. He played for another team. And, my dad told his dad he was "a pig" or something.

Michael: And, he got mad that my dad said that, so instead of like, his dad defending himself, he, he defended his dad. But, I was five feet tall, and this guy was a big kid.

Michael: So, we're driving home from a South Spencer basketball game. Me & Pat Lally, and uh, well first off at the basketball game, I'll tell you this.

Michael: Well, Lally's Tom, his brother, Pat, I used to hang out with cause Tom was really popular.

Michael: So I didn't hang out with Tom as much. We're at a basketball game, and this kid says, "Hey, out of the way, Rosenbaum. You freaking nerd." Or, something.

Michael: And, I go, and I just said something smart ass. You know me, it was my defense mechanism. At least, I was sort of funny.

Michael: I was like, "Hey, look at me. I'm so and so." And, I was doing like an early Farly. "Hey, everybody, look at me. I'm the big guy, you know at the..."

Michael: And, he got really upset.

Michael: And, cause he was already thinking about my dad, my dad calling his dad, "a pig", and uh, we're driving home from to uh, McDonalds. No, we're driving home from South Spencer, and I look into, Pat Lally looks into the rear view mirror and says, "Uh, I think "so and so", I'm not gonna name his name, I think, he's a, he's like, right on our bumper..."

Michael: With his friends, he's tailing me.

Michael: So, I go, I don't know what happened, Tom. This is uh a bad idea. I go, 'Pull Over.' And, he goes, "What? Pull Over?"

Michael: "Pull over to the McDonalds. Let's get this over with."

Michael: And, he goes, "****, Rosenbaum." And, I went to the McDonalds, and he got out of his car with all his popular friends or whatever. And, I get out of the car, and he goes. He goes, he goes, "You're a piece of ****." And, I go, "**** you."

Michael: And, I go, and he starts yelling at me, and he goes, "Your dad's a bugger. I go, "Dude, settle it with my dad." And, then I started like bad mouthing him and people are...

Michael: People are starting to laugh.

Michael: And, I was making sense, and I turn around and he just comes behind me and I turn quickly, and he punches me right in the face. And, then I grab him and I threw him into the McDonalds door, and it shattered it.

Michael: And, I didn't really throw him. We both kinda went into it. I didn't really, you know. I just like to say that I did.

Michael: Anyway, fast forward, we had to get out of there because the manager comes out. The next day at school. We're at the cafeteria table, and he's not at school. And, I come to find that he's got a cast on his hand. I guess the glass door broke his hand.

Michael: So, apparently, I win.

Michael: And, everybody's making fun of him and was like, "Oh, Rosenbaum did this to you."

Michael: "Four Eleven Rosenbaum."

Michael: And, the next day, I'm in the bathroom, between classes, and there's nobody in there, taking a piss, and guess who walks in?

Michael: And, I'm like, "I'm gonna get the **** beat out of me, my mouth's already fat. I'm gonna get beat up in the ****ter."

Michael: And, this guy looks at me and goes, "Just keep your ****ing mouth shut, man. Just keep your mouth shut." And, I go, "I never, I didn't start this."

Michael: And, he goes, "Shut up!" And, you know, I can't, I have to have the last word.

Michael: But, uh, did you ever get beat up in high school?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: What was his name?

Michael: Oh, don't mess with the wrestler.

Michael: Three O Clock High?

Michael: Yeah!

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Oh, boy.

Michael Laughs.

Michael: You didn't even wanna fight him.

Michael: He's now crying.

Michael: So, you were the nice guy!

Michael: Who inadvertently beat him up.

Michael: You're such a nice guy, Tom!

Michael: Oh my Gosh!

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah, right. Everybody wants to fight.

Michael: Yeah. Gosh, I would have, I wish it would have gone my way, that one.

Michael: That fight. Instead it busted my mouth open.

Michael: Well, in a way. You know, people get it in high school.

Michael: How's you McDonald's, uh...

Michael: Coffee? I got you some waters there, if you want a water, a little refreshment.

Michael: If you want a banana, you wanna suck on a banana over there?

Michael: Really professional, here.

Michael: We really do you up.

Michael: So, so what happened? I guess, after high school? You, you didn't wanna be an actor? Cause that, cause that kinda happened, I guess, after you started modeling. Someone saw you...

Michael: You were doing construction?

Michael: Me too.

Michael: Me too.

Michael: What was it?

Michael: What was it? I was like two/four?

Michael: Yeah?

Michael: I always say cause I didn't try.

Michael: ADD?

Michael Laughs.

Michael: STD!?!

Michael: You did not!

Michael: I think it's a bad thing.

Michael: Well, I had crabs in college once.

Michael: I got rid of those pretty quickly, though.

Michael: You shave your balls.

Michael: Uh, I thought...

Michael: You know, when they have like names for stuff, and you're like, "Oh, you know, uh, they're not really crabs."

Michael: I remember being like eighteen, and like taking one of my balls, and putting it up to the light...

Michael: And going, "My God, that's a crab."

Michael: "That is a tiny minute crab!" And, I screamed! [slight laugh]

Michael: And, my friend, my roommate goes, "What's the matter, dude?" And, I go, "I have crabs!"

Michael: And, he's like, "So what, man, go get cream at the ****ing store! At How Chin's, it's a grocery store." And, I remember going to the grocery store, and going down an aisle, and I looked for like crab cream. You know, and for, and I stole it!

Michael: Cause I was too embarrassed to pay for it. Could you imagine if I got caught stealing crab cream?!? That'd be way more...

Michael: "Take this, man."

Michael: "I don't wanna embarrass you anymore."

Michael Laughs.

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Part 03 of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:17:56 - 00:25:55

Michael: So, all right, so where were we? So, I want to, I wanna get into the modeling thing. You're working construction at the time.

Michael: Were you one of those guys who took their shirt off and looked hot?

Michael: No? Didn't do that?

Michael Drinks.

Michael Laughs.

Michael: You've heard about modeling! [laughs]

Michael: Right.

Michael: Right.

Michael: How much did you, is this the first time you had real money?

Michael: How much did you make on this commercial?

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Five or ten thousand dollars?

Michael: How old were you?

Michael: Eighteen?!

Michael: Ten thousand dollars for taking pictures!

Michael: "This is great!"

Michael: Right. That's what you're doing? Sweeping floors?

Michael: So, so now, this starts.

Michael: You start booking jobs.

Michael: Right.

Michael: They want these skinny guys.

Michael: Real skinny guys.

Michael: Did you have a girlfriend? Did you get girls in high school? Girls like you?

Michael: Do you remember one specifically, like, even like now when you're with your girlfriend or fiance?

Michael: Do you ever think of her and go, "Man, I miss those boobs."

Michael: You don't do that?

Michael: I still do that, sometimes.

Michael: I always wanted to sleep with Sarah Ferguson. She was hot.

Michael: She was so beautiful, but she wouldn't even look at me.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Uh, yeah, she, you know, she's fine. Remember, I'm forty-five. I'm older than you. So, now, you can't look at people and go, "God! Look What Happened?"

Michael: You gotta go just like, "Hey, they're forty-five years old. They're not eighteen."

Michael: "Seventeen."

Michael: Yeah! Sure!

Michael: She's married with three kids.

Michael: No, no. I don't wanna break-up a marriage in Indiana.

Michael: I just say her name. We don't have to get into the "What, what could happen?"

Michael: It was Evanswood, Indiana. We were ranked the most obese city in the country a few years ago.

Michael: And the most depressed, but I love going back.

Michael: Sarah Ferguson, in, actually it was Newberg, Indiana.

Michael: Don Mattingly's from Evansville.

Michael: They shot the Rose-Ann House. Jamie Carroll, who played baseball. Those are the pretty much the claiming names.

Michael: You What?

Michael: And, me. And, me. And, I'm not even...

Michael: In the high school super star list on the wall.

Michael: I think that, I don't know.

Michael: You wanna know why I don't...

Michael: I did this movie, I directed Back In The Day.

Michael: I talked about this before. And, and, you know, it was a, it was a dirty movie.

Michael: It wasn't a clean movie. And, you know, some of the things took place at the high school, and I don't think they appreciated it. And, uh, they took it, I guess, I don't know. But, I think...

Michael: That has something to do with it.

Michael: Yeah. The principal, the guy who was, actually the principal, at the time, and I told him he didn't have to do this, but he insisted. There's a scene where some guy's dick is shown right near his face. Like, he pops up in the back of the truck.

Michael: And, I go, "You don't have to do this. You're the principal." [Imitating Principal] "No! No! I'm doing it." And, so he did the scene, and there's a slow motion, a hundred and twenty, uh, frames a second.

Michael: Coming up this dick right behind the rear view mirror.

Michael: And, the car, the truck he's driving, he looks behind him, "Oh My God!"

Michael: And, I guess, he got some **** for it, and he ended up quitting. He's a good friend of mine, now. He didn't blame me. I mean, he actually, he blamed me to the board, and said, "I didn't know about this."

Michael: But, I go, "I get it.I would have lied too."

Michael: But, he knew, so. And, then people thought I was like, misrepresenting the principal. I'm like, "That wasn't even, that was just an actor. It wasn't, he wasn't representing, he wasn't like the principal."

Michael: "This guy was fat in the movie. Our principal was thin." I don't know. They, I think they took it, some, you know.

Michael: So, what, when was the first acting thing start? By the way, did you, were you like one of these guys who were just going with the flow? Did you kind of think, "Hey, I'm cool man. I'm modeling."

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: You know, what's funny is you're so ****ing humble. I try to get **** out of you sometimes.

Michael: And, it's true. It's like, even on set or whatever, you're just what I've come to find is like, at first there's time like, "Ah, you know, this twenty year old punk, he's coming, he's doing Smallville."

Michael: "And, you know, I've been busting my ass."

Michael: "And, now, I gotta play, he's the good-looking guy. And, I'm the bald freak, and uh..."

Michael: But, you know, all these things. But, you were always so humble. And, you never, like, you, I read, somewhere, and I think you told me this. You're like, "I don't like interviews. I just don't, I like to do my job and go home."

Michael: And, I was like...

Michael: "Come on. Come on!"

Michael: But you have to do interviews sometimes.

Michael: You didn't have to do this!

Michael: But we're buddies and you did it.

Michael: In fact, we did another thing that didn't air cause it didn't get picked up by Syfy. They're Idiots.

Michael: I don't know what they're...

Michael: Wasn't that fun?!?

Michael: I gotta somehow air that!

Michael: You were so funny, and we had so much fun.

Michael: And genuine laughs.

Michael: Yeah, and so I gotta get that. That was like, uh, it was called Super Friends With Rosenbaum.

Michael: So, I, I had to change this to Inside Of You With Rosenbaum, in case they wanted to sue me.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: They're just finding something's that provocative.

Michael: They wanna find something about you that they can make a spin, they can do a spin of it.

Michael: Ohhhh My God!

Michael: Yeahhhhh!

Michael: Yeah. And, then they wrote something about me and my balls and all that stuff.

Michael: It was weird. They aired everything. Yeah.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Well...

Michael: Yeah. "This is why I don't."

Michael: Look it's Rolling Stones, "You have to do it, Tom!"

Michael: "The WB's saying you gotta do this interview."

Michael: And, then you're like, "Listen, ****ers, this is why I don't wanna do all these interviews."

Michael: You know, and I was like, "Look, I'll take his interviews."

Michael: "I don't wanna, I don't wanna just be Page 74 or Sci-Fi Weekly."

Michael: "I will take the cover of Entertainment Weekly."

Michael: "Why am I not on there?!?" I think I was on there. They cut me out. It didn't matter. It was fine.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: No ****.

Michael: A little bit, yeah.

Michael: And, and you, you were driving, or all of us are driving an hour to a location at four thirty in the morning with one eye open.

Michael: And, you're in every scene.

Michael: And, I think that, that got to a point where we all like...

Michael: Signed a letter for you.

Michael: Because we were like, "You're gonna kill Superman." [laughs]

Michael: "You're gonna kill our Superman."

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

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Part 04 Of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:25:56 - 00:30:14

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Michael: Can I tell you something?

Michael: This is true. I actually said, uh,...

Michael: "I'd like a driver."

Michael: And, they gave me a stipend.

Michael: It was like a thousand dollars a week.

Michael: And, uh, I didn't get a driver.

Michael: I kept driving, but I kept the thousand.

Michael: I just wanna be honest with ya.

Michael: Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what was, so you're modeling...

Michael: And, I'm sure you told the story, but like, so you did Judging Amy. How'd that happen? Was that the first thing?

Michael: Was that the first kinda acting gig?

Michael: You didn't know anything.

Michael: Unbelievable!

Michael: "Hey, you didn't get the part, but we like you."

Michael: "We're gonna give you money for a holding deal."

Michael: Back then, they had holding deals, and they give you a hundred thousand dollars.

Michael: To hold you for.

Michael: Oh, fifty grand.

Michael: Yeah, bro.

Michael: Mmhmmm.

Michael: Twenty-five.

Michael: Sounds like your divorce.

Michael: Cut in half.

[Quote] Tom: Oh, there you go!

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Jesus Christ. We'll get into that.

Michael: Agent. This. That.

Michael: It's nothing.

Michael: And, they own you.

Michael: Right.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Did you rage at all when you first moved out to LA? Cause like, when you're young, you gotta rage a little.

Michael: So, you'd already partied.

Michael: Right.

Michael: You wanted to get down to business.

Michael: What's the next step?

Michael: And, what was the next step?

Michael: You auditioned for that?

Michael: Did you make out with Amy?

Michael: How was that?

Michael: Was there tongue work?

Michael: But, did you try?

Michael: I mean, a guy who didn't know what he was doing, did you figure if we're kissing in a scene, we're doing tongue.

Michael: I'm not gonna go on a date and...

Michael: Kiss a girl and go, [purses lips] "Ohhmmh".

Michael: With no tongue. It's weird. She's like, "What are you, eight?" You gotta put the tongue in there.

Michael: So, did you not try to "Judge Amy"? Or, did you...

Michael: Or, you'd thought she judge you if you did that?

Michael: Did she have fresh breath? I'm...

Michael: Oh, cause you can always remember the bad breath.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Right.

Michael Laughs.

Michael: "What is he doing?!?"

Michael: Right.

[Quote] Tom: You're getting sent to the wrong ****ing place.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Ohhhhh.

Michael: Really? [Takes Off Glasses.]

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Part 05 Of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:30:15 - 00:39:02

Michael: So wait, what was the thing with Smallville? Was it, was it one of these things where you're just like, they say, "Hey, there's this young Superman show..."

Michael: And, you weren't interested at first.

Michael: I wasn't interested either.

Michael: Yeah. I was like, "Oh, gosh, this is gonna be the next whatever."

Michael: "It's gonna be goofy."

Michael: No. You thought it was gonna be a soap opera.

Michael: WB was only making soap operas.

Michael: Now, we didn't want to be in a soap opera.

Michael: And, I thought, "You know, I'm doing movies. I'm, things are happening. And, you know I..."

Michael: So what, so what was it that, uh...

Michael: What a talent.

Michael: Did you see the Game Of Thrones episodes? The guy is just phenomenal.

Michael: And he was phenomenal with this Pilot.

Michael: He made, you know, by the way, if you guys don't know this, if you shoot the Pilot on a TV show, you get like five thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars for every episode it goes on.

Michael: So, when we did, three hundred episodes, he would just get cheques.

Michael: What's five hundred, how many episodes did Smallville do?

Michael: Two hundred something?

Michael: What's two twenty times five? Rob!

Michael: The ****!

Michael: Oh, God! One ****ing question.

Michael: He's not even there! [laughs]

Rob: It's a million dollars.

Michael: It's a million dollars. You get a million dollars for it, but he really started out. It was his...Pilot.

Michael: So, go ahead.

Michael: You met with David Nutter.

Michael: Right.

Michael: Yeah. I did too.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: All right.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Right.

Michael: Oh, yeah.

Michael: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Michael: God, I felt so stupid wearing that suit.

Michael: "KNEEL TO ZOD!"

Michael: And, I give like a Hitler thing or whatever, I don't know.

Michael: Oh, ****.

Michael: Mortified.

Michael: You guys don't understand this.

Michael: And, you were laughing your dick off. ****ing, laughing your dick off!

Michael: Dude, I remember...

Michael: Like they had me on wires just like trench coat that was longer than me.

Michael: And, I'm up there. And, I'm supposed to be Zod. And, I don't know how to act like Zod.

Michael: And, I'm supposed to be this powerful man.

Michael: And, I just like get, I'm elevating. And, then I get down on the ground, and I just go. They crew's all there, and they see me on wires. And, I'm just like embarrassed. I'm like, "THIS IS STUPID!"

Michael: "People are gonna la...I'll never work again!" Now, we'll meet people out there, our fans and our friends and everybody see it...

Michael: They're like, "Hey. That looked really cool."

Michael: The effects were...

Michael: Above it, you know, before it's time.

Michael: And, it's, you know, we just fell into something that was just one of the most special...

Michael: And, it was before social media.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Oh, yeah.

Michael: Way before. And, it's just that, even if you, I saw an episode not too long ago, and I saw the effects, and I was like, "They still hold up."

Michael: I'm like, "How did they do that? This is before..." And then all of the floodgates open with The Flash and uh...

Michael: Arrow, and everything! And, God bless em, and I hope they're all, you know, they're huge.

Michael: And people love em, but...

Michael: It sort of started with us.

Michael: It did.

Michael: It was the whole...

Michael: And people don't understand that, it's, it's not like, um, "Hey, it's a good director."

Michael: You have to have a great script, a great director, you know, great writers, actors that you like.

Michael: I mean, they don't have to be great, but you have to like them.

Michael: You have to be invested. Mm-hmm. I have a cold.

Michael: All these elements have to line up for a hit show.

Michael: And, they just happen, and I had done a lot of ****. I remember calling my dad up, going, "You know, hey, Dad, I doing this movie!" He's like, [Imitating Father] "Who's in it?" Like...

Michael: "Well, nobody you know. It's an independent."

Michael: "Independent? That doesn't sound real. That's not a movie."

Michael: "An independent, they don't call these movies, "independent movies", they're movies."

Michael: Yeah!

Michael: My dad was like a dick. I love him, but he's a dick, ****ing dick.

Michael: And, then when I saw, David Nutter brought me in to do ADR, which what stands for Additional Dialogue Recording, I believe. Something like that.

Michael: He goes, "Do you wanna see the beginning of the Pilot?" And, I go, "I guess. Give me another show that just sucks. Go ahead."

Michael: Another Rosen-Bomb.

Michael: And I, I walked out of the room, and I called my mom and dad, [clears throat] and I said, "I'm on a hit show."

Michael: "And, I think people might recognize me after this."

Michael: It's the first time I ever said it. I never was like, "Oh, this is gonna be huge. This is gonna be huge!"

Michael: I said, "This is it."

Michael: And, I never had said that before. They were like, "Really?!?"

Michael: [Imitating Father] "So, it's not an "independent movie", Michael?"

Michael: "No, Dad. And, **** yourself, independently."

Michael Brings Out Guitar.

Michael: How does that song go?

Michael: [Sings] "Somebody Save Me..."

Michael: [Singing] "I don't care how you do it."

Michael: [Singing & Playing Guitar] Mother ****ing, "Just Save Me." God, we hated that song for so long, but it was a good song.

Michael: Why is that?

Michael: Oh, yeah. [laughs] It was horrible. I play upside down and backwards.

Michael: I don't even know the chords to that song. That was just done, improvised, as we like to call it.

Michael: So, BAM! Smallville!

Michael: Everything changes.

Michael: Now, people are calling you...

Michael: My dog's barking. He's upstairs. So, Cause we're doing this interview in my living room. Um, so now, what happens when you, I mean, super stardom. You just went from like, "Hey, I'm modeling a little and living in LA." to a twenty-two year old rock star.

Michael: That helped.

Michael: God, did that help.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: No.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: I always say this. I say, "Tom, this is, these are first world problems for us."

Michael: This is like, we're like, but at the same time, when you commit to a show and you're working like, you especially, and I worked a lot.

Michael: But, you're working...

Michael: I travel. I had to shave my head and all that.

Michael: But, whatever. The point is, ten years of your life.

Michael: Really? Was that show.

Michael: That was your family. That was the show. You're in Vancouver. And, you lost, not to say, I hate to say the word, "lost", but from twenty-two to thirty-two, or whatever, twenty-five, whatever...

Michael: Those years...

Michael: When you could have been broke, and, but could have been living.

Michael: And traveling.

Michael: And doing whatever. Those were ten years where you made a lot of money, and you just didn't have a life.

Michael: Right?

Michael: "And, I wouldn't trade it."

Michael: You know?

Michael: How would you do that?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Right.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: We really did get along.

Michael: We did.

Michael: Yeah. I, I think, I, I probably lost my cool a couple of times.

Michael: You don't remember me losing my cool?

Michael: I remember yelling at you.

Michael: Yeah. I was, uh, directing an episode. But, here's what...

Michael: And, and Allison's strap broke on her bra or something, I don't ****ing know. The dolly grip broke. Everything was ****ing going crazy.

Michael: And, we're two hours behind. And, Marshall's already there, and he's the guy producer, who that always crosses his arms? He had a big belly.

Michael: And, you know, I love, I love and hate Marshall. We got into like almost some brawls.

Michael: And, uh, you come on set, and you're like, "Rosenbaum, what the **** are you doing?!?"

Michael: And, I go, "**** YOU WELLING!"

Michael: "****ing Stanley Kubrick Spielberg, **** YOU!"

Michael: Cause you'd already directed. And, you go, "Dude, I'm just kidding."

Michael: And, I just looked at you, and you gave me a big hug.

Michael: But, that was it. That was the only time, you and I ever...

Michael: What's...

Michael: It was.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Laugh it off.

Michael: Just, ****ing, you know, take a Norco.

Michael: Just ****ing, chill out.

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Part 06 Of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:39:03- 00:44:08

Michael: Um, I'm, I'm gonna ask you a question. You can say, "**** Off." But, I don't think you will say, "**** Off." We don't have to talk deeply about it, but you know, you were married at a young age.

Michael: You were young man.

Michael: How old were you?

Michael: You crossed your legs on this one.

Michael: I sense discomfort.

Michael: I sense the dark side coming.

Michael: You never talk about it. You're not a, an open guy.

Michael: All I wanna say is this, I ****ing told you not to do it.

Michael: I told you not to get married.

Michael: And, no offense to your ex-wife. But, I said, "Dude, you're ****ing twenty-two,
man!

Michael: Not to be sound disrespectful to women or chauvinistic...

Michael: But, you could have tapped it tap tap tap tap...

Michael: Tappity, Tap, Tap Superman Tappity Tap!

Michael: Just hang on, man.

Michael: I mean, you could have. I mean, I was like, "What is going on?"

Michael: "He's twenty-two. He doesn't know what he's doing."

Michael: Look, she didn't know what she was doing. She was young too.

Michael: You were, and somehow, I will say this, you ****ing fought through it, and you
did it as long as you could.

Michael: And, that says a lot.

Michael: Look, seventy percent of marriages end in divorce or more, you know. And, you,
you, with working so much.

Michael: It probably was not easy on the relationship.

Michael: No.

Michael: You're working eighteen hours a day, and you get home, and all of sudden...

Michael: You know, she wants to talk about something you don't wanna talk about. It's not
is like, it's not just...

Michael: You're a rested man.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: You had to grow up so fast.

Michael: And, I still haven't grown up.

Michael: Yeah. I think...

Michael: You've always had a good head on your shoulders even if you play it off
sometimes. You always seem like, you're just a good guy who wants to just, not be left
alone, but sort of just like, "Hey, I just wanna hang out with my friends or my
family..."

Michael: "Or my girlfriend." And uh, do you guys, are in contact with your ex anymore?
No? Nothing?

Michael: Zero? I'll be honest with ya...

Michael: She, uh, she Facebook Requested me.

Michael: And, I, uh...

Michael: And, I just, of course, I couldn't say yes. I mean...

Michael: You know, my allegiance is with you.

Michael: And, I'm, a, you're my pal. I'm not gonna be like, "Hey, how are you?!?"

Michael: "You gotta any dirt on Tom?" Like, he's, uh, I had to, I didn't really.

Michael: Um, but, uh, you know, I mean, it's a crazy.

Michael: My parents were divorced after twenty-seven years. Uh, my mom's in her third
marriage. My sister's marrying for the fourth time.

Michael: She's like, "You're coming to my wedding, right?" I'm like, "No, I'm waiting
till your eighth."

Michael: "I really like the number eight."

Michael: And, uh, but that's Indiana.

Michael: Was it a horrible divorce?

Michael: They're never fun?

Michael: Were you kinda like, "Just take whatever. I don't give a ****."

Michael: "Just leave me alone."

Michael Laughs.

Michael: At the end. Here's the thing. At the end, there's a, there's a, there's a light
at the end of the tunnel.

Michael: There always is.

Michael: Cause, now you're dating someone.

Michael: No, you're engaged?

Michael: No, you're not.

Michael: You're just dating?

Michael: I don't know that. I just threw that out there.

Michael: Like, "You're engaged, right?"

Michael Laughs.

Michael Laughs!

Michael: And, you go, "Ahhhh."

Michael Laughs.

Michael: By the way, she's awesome!

Reaches For Drink.

Michael: She's awe... And, uh, how long have you been dating?

Michael: Jessica?

Michael: And, her last name is Rose. Wouldn't it be easier if I dated her?

Michael: Jessica Rose-nbaum

Michael: Wouldn't that, wouldn't it be easier?

Michael: Look, I don't have a chance.

Michael: That's one thing you gotta be confident as...

Michael: You never have to worry about a girl cheating on you.

Michael: You're too handsome, and you're just sweet as hell.

Michael: You just don't have to worry about it.

Michael: I don't. I don't worry about it. I'm just out. You cheat. You're out.

Michael: And, I'm signing a pre-nup.

Michael: And, here's how, here's why I'm gonna sign a pre-nup if I ever get married.

Here's, just, if I ever get married.

Michael: People are like, "You can't say that to a woman. Or, a woman can't say that to a

man. Bull****!

Michael: Here's what you say, "I'm not worried about me leaving you!"

Michael: What if you just fall out of love with me? Then, all of sudden you get
everything I've worked hard for.

Michael: That's ****ed! And, that's not fair! So, let's sign, right here.

Michael: I think that's how it should be. It's like...

Michael: Like, whatever I made, after we're married, great. We'll split it.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Absolutely.

Michael: Unless, they were really really rich.

Michael: I would, no, of course. Of course, I'd sign. It's like, you know.

Michael: I'm not rich, I'm like, you know, I'm not like one of these billionaires. I, but
you know, it's just like, "Hey, I worked hard for this."

Michael: "So, you know." Um...

Michael: Right. Or, someone...

Michael: "I wanna divorce you, and I wanna have half of everything you have."

Michael: That's not fair.

Michael: That's not ****ing fair.

Michael Laughs.

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Part 07 Of 10!:

Timestamp: 00:44:09 - 00:53:09

Michael: Did you enjoy making out with Kristin Kreuk?

Michael: Because I sure as hell did.

Michael: Lips...Like Butter.

Michael: Yes. And, I appreciate you allowing me to kiss her longer...

Michael: Without saying "Cut." You did that for me, didn't ya?

Michael: She's like, "Why are we still kissing?!?"

Michael: "They're gonna cut this!"

Michael: "It's Rosenbaum. He begged me before the take."

Michael Laughs!

Michael: Oh My God. She was...

Michael: She was a treat.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Mmhmmm.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: I remember going up to her and saying, "Hey, I just wanna apologize now and be respectful, but if you know, if I don't plan on getting a boner...

Michael: But it could happen, so uh, I just wanna apologize now."

Michael: Yes. "And, I just want you to know..."

Michael: And, she's like, "You know, we don't even like have a scene together today, right?"

Michael: And, I'm like, "I know that. I just feel like it could happen anytime I'm near you."

Michael Laughs.

Michael Laughing.

Michael: There was one co-star that you did. You were always a gentleman. You were always like, you know, you never, you were always committed to your marriage and all that back then.

Michael: And, I never saw you like go, but I remember there was girl you were smitten with. Just like you thought she was cute.

Michael: There was one girl. Yeah. You do. I forgot her name. Blonde.

Michael: She was a guest star. I don't know, but I remember...

Michael: We looked at each other, and we were like, [nodding] in your head, you didn't say it! But, I could see it like...

Michael: It was a Jedi, it was like we were Jedi's, we could talk to each other.

Michael: Or, was, what's that, Rob, what's that **** called when you can talk? Tell uh...

Michael: Telepathy. Thanks for your one right answer for the whole ****ing podcast.

Michael: No!

[Both Looking At Rob.]

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Yeah. How much money, Rob?

Michael: No. He said a million.

Rob: Yeah. One Point One Million.

Michael: One Point One Million. Thank you.

Michael: An hour later.

Michael: Um, but I remember going, [nods]

Michael: You looked at me, and you were just like, "If I wasn't married...

Michael: I'm like, "Mmhmmm." "And I would, if she was interested."

Michael: We both, that's what was said without saying.

Michael: So, you, you, you've done a lot of other ****. I mean, people like, at first, it was like you know, I think when you're younger, and you get on a show, and you're like, "I'm Lex Luthor."

Michael: "And, God, I want to do other things, though."

Michael: And, a lot of other actors will go, "And, I don't wanna talk about that. I don't wanna... "

Michael: There comes a time where you either like, look, I think, I embrace the **** of it, and I think you do too now. It's one of those things...

Michael: Yeah. It took time because...

Michael: It's hard playing the same role, and you're like, "Hey, I'd like people to see me as another, you know, some other role."

Michael: Yet, you have all these fans that support you and watch you in whatever you do.

Michael: And, to me, if somebody said, I think we've talked about this before in the show that never aired. But, it was like, you know, if this was all we did...

Michael: Would it be enough?

Michael: And, I'm like, "****, yeah. I was a legendary character for seven years. You were for ten years."

Michael: You made some money. You have fans.

Michael: People enjoyed you. People, like, soldiers from Iraq would say we watched...

Michael: Sets of, of Smallville, and it saved our lives.

Michael: And, I didn't believe. I was like, "This is impossible." But, we touched some many people that, is it, do...

Michael: Don't you feel the same way?

Michael: Reflect?

Michael Drinks.

Michael: That's all there is!

Michael: Right. Right.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Right.

Michael: It's, in a way, it's like unconditional love.

Michael: It's like, "I, I loved you, and you gave me so much entertainment for all these years."

Michael: And, it's something really beautiful about that, so I'll go to conventions and people come up, and it's, I'm, it's shocking to me.

Michael: It's joy. And, I'm shocked like they, like, "My dad was sick, and I watched, we watched this. This was our show together."

Michael: And, you don't think about those things when you're doing a show, and you're working and you're this.

Michael: But, there's pretty, something pretty ****ing cool about that.

Michael: But, you went on to do a lot of things. You worked with Steve Martin.

Michael: For Cheaper By The Dozen One.

Michael: We almost worked with him at the same time.

Michael: I had to wear a bad wig, which ****ing pissed me off.

Michael: I looked like ****. I had to wear these wigs.

Michael: During that seven years, dude, I mean, I shouldn't have done anything.

Michael: Because it's just all these bad wigs. I worked with Wes Craven...

Michael: A ****ty wig there... Oh! But, you worked with Steve Martin. Was that, that was, you loved that?

Michael: Was he nice to you? Did you eat with him?

Michael: Did you hang out with him?

Michael: Anything funny happen with Steve Martin?

Michael: Right.

Michael Laughs.

Michael Laughs.

Michael Laughs.

Michael Drinks.

Michael: Or, "quit horsing around."

Michael: "We gotta shoot something here, buddy."

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: And, you worked with, uh, uh, Kevin Costner.

Michael: You played a football player. You played a quarterback.

Michael: What was the movie?

Michael: Draft Day!

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: It's always nice when you like, like a movie even if it didn't do well.

Michael: Like, I have that movie, like Sorority Boys.

Michael: Where I just, it's a cult. I just love it. We had, we had so much fun on set.

Michael: It's just the memory.

Michael: But, how was Kevin Costner?

Michael: Your first day?!?

Michael: Ohhhhh...

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Were you nervous? Is that what happened all of a sudden?

Michael: You know that nervous feeling...

Michael: When you're like all of a sudden, you think about something.

Michael: It's like with, with anything...

Michael: It's like when you get up to bat with the bases loaded, and you're like, you think, you can't even think about it.

Michael: You just gotta be confident and do it.

Michael: It's like with anything. When you're an actor...

Michael: You gotta commit and like that's happened to me many times....

Michael: When all of a sudden, I'm like, working with Stallone.

Michael: [Imitating Stallone] "How're you doing?" I'm like, "Oh My God. That's ****ing Rocky."

Michael: "WHAT'S MY LINE?!?!?!?"

Michael: "I ONLY HAVE ONE!!!!!"

Michael: Beth.

Michael: Beth, our script supervisor.

Michael: I loved her.

Michel Drinks.

Michael Laughs.

Michael: Something comforting and sweet. Genuine.

Michael: It's Kevin Costner.

Michael: And, now...

Michael: You've been doing stuff. You like, like I'm sure a lot of people know this, but...

Michael: You directed, what? Seven episodes of Smallville.

Michael: Like it, directed episode one fifty, which was a big one.

Michael: And, by the way I gotta say this...

Michael: When any actor says, "I'm gonna direct, it's like, "Oh, ****."

Michael: And, when you directed, you were just right there. And, I remember watching the episode and going, "He had my back."

Michael: Cause you knew my strengths.

Michael: You knew, and you wanted to make us good.

Michael: You wanted everyone to be good. And, I think that's the sign of a really good director. It's someone who is, is not, it's not about him. It's like, "Hey, this is them on screen."

Michael: "And, how can I make, bring out the best in them."

Michael: Yeah. It helps.

Michael: It's a good, like, a, yeah.

Michael: I didn't know them at all.

Michael: Yeah.

Michael: Right.

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