Always & Forever

Well, I'm glad you'll be sticking around!

You make some good points there. I still think Jared is a sweet guy and maybe he really does like Ashley. I guess we'll see.

lizzybug57

Thanks!

Yup-I guess we will just see about Jared.

~Janice~

Joe has become the most despicable character for me on the franchise so far

Always & Forever

Even worse than Juan Pablo?

Always & Forever

Would you guys mind stopping by this thread?

http://www.fanforum.com/f114/general...6/index20.html

lizzybug57

^Just read! Totally works/makes sense why you would put the current season in the title.

Joe is just super conniving and sleazy. Also, what he did to Jonathan was really messed up in addition to how he is treating Juelia.

Always & Forever

I felt so bad for Jonathan during After Paradise. It's a shame he's cut off all communications with Joe.

My mom wants Jonathan to be the next Bachelor.

lizzybug57

It's definitely a shame, but Jonathan has every right to not want anything to do with Joe.

Joe is seriously such a bad guy.

Redlight-Electr0

Joe is litteral human garbage. Glad Juelia finally called him out in the end.

Alexa

joe is trashhhhhh. oh my god, he was so rude the entire episode. i hope sam sees what a crappy guy he is and dumps his ass!

jared is a sweetheart and i like that he was pushing joe to talk to juelia.

i felt bad for carly, and ashley s, because it seems like both guys are kind of freaking out. at least kirk came around a bit but man, some people. no wonder they are single, it sounds like a lot of them have commitment issues/expect too much out of relationships.

~Janice~

Yes Juan Pablo was likeable up to a certain point. Joe is deliberate about manipulating people right from the get go

Alexa

yeah i dont feel like jp necessarily TRIED to be an ass, he just was.

lizzybug57

I'm so excited for tonight! The preview looked pretty great!

I don't think Dan is a jerk. I actually really like him. He's just freaking out about his relationship with Ashley S. He seems pretty grounded though and likes honesty.

Kirk definitely came around IMO. I don't think it was just to seal the deal with Carly. He just had a bit of a freakout moment.

I also think all of these people are just really intense. Like they've been there for a couple of weeks. Are any of them really falling in love?

~Janice~

I'm not too thrilled about Samantha. I think she and Joe deserve each other. Glad everyone called out Joe for manipulating Juelia. Seems like Claire, Ashley S and Juelia will be the ones without roses next I think Ashley S is a hoot but she's not Dan's type at all

Always & Forever

I totally second everything you said! I will be interested to hear what Joe has to say for himself at the After Paradise show next week!

I hate how they're doing the "To Be Continued..." for every episode like they did with The Bachelorette this season. It makes it feel like it's just a "reality" soap opera, instead of a competition where people are eliminated each week. Now, we have to wait 2, sometimes 3 weeks, to find out who's going home next. I know it brings more drama and keeps more people watching, but I really hope that's not the format all season long.