Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Xander♥Cordy #4 - Because She Still Would Date Him Even If He Was A Fish - Page 3

Sosa Lola · 02-10-2009, 12:48 PM

Oh they are different. I'm just saying that if Xander apprecited Cordelia enough, he wouldn't have cheated on her. And obviously Buffy didn't appreciate Riley enough.

**Kiss of Death** · 02-10-2009, 12:59 PM

I'm not exactly sure if it's about the couples, but more about what he said. Does anyone have a transcript of the speech? It's been years since I've heard it. But I do know that when I first heard the speech, I totally thought of C/X.

What season did the cheating/WX thing happened?

Sosa Lola · 02-10-2009, 02:11 PM

Season 3.

And, no, Xander's speech linked to him and Anya.

**Kiss of Death** · 02-10-2009, 02:17 PM

Er, yeah, I know that. I know that's what it was supposed to be. And I don't mind AX, I just like CX more and so my mind thinks in a different direction.

**ashleyt** · 02-10-2009, 10:30 PM

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I don't think it matches much. Xander/Cordelia and Buffy/Riley have one similarities: Buffy takes Riley for granted just like Xander used to do with Cordelia, and Xander had opened Buffy's eyes to that while no one opened Xander's eyes to that while dating Cordelia.

I think the Buffy/Riley relationship was much more complex than the Cordy/Xander one though

Probably because the X/C relationship always "appeared" as a less complex one that was great for humour.

Nerenafan · 02-10-2009, 10:55 PM

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Oh they are different. I'm just saying that if Xander apprecited Cordelia enough, he wouldn't have cheated on her. And obviously Buffy didn't appreciate Riley enough.

Thanks Sosa.

Sosa Lola · 02-11-2009, 02:32 AM

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I think the Buffy/Riley relationship was much more complex than the Cordy/Xander one though

Probably because the X/C relationship always "appeared" as a less complex one that was great for humour.

You can't really compare a high school relationship with an adult one, I guess. Xander's relationship with Cordelia started on hormones and then developed into something more... the only complex was that Cordelia had to leave her friends to be with Xander...

Come to think of it... here's another similarity between Cordelia and Riley, both of them sacrificed their old lives (popularity - the Initiative) to be with Xander and Buffy... and sadly both Xander and Buffy didn't appreciate that.

Nerenafan · 02-11-2009, 09:17 AM

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You can't really compare a high school relationship with an adult one, I guess. Xander's relationship with Cordelia started on hormones and then developed into something more... the only complex was that Cordelia had to leave her friends to be with Xander...

Come to think of it... here's another similarity between Cordelia and Riley, both of them sacrificed their old lives (popularity - the Initiative) to be with Xander and Buffy... and sadly both Xander and Buffy didn't appreciate that.

It is a sad love story.

Love ur icon Sosa.

**Kiss of Death** · 02-11-2009, 09:55 AM

Sosa! OMG, I love that similiarity between CX and BR. Now I wanna cry. My poor couples. *snifs*

Rogue · 02-12-2009, 02:58 AM

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I think the Buffy/Riley relationship was much more complex than the Cordy/Xander one though

Probably because the X/C relationship always "appeared" as a less complex one that was great for humour.

That's a great comment in many many ways. I never thought of it that way before, but it makes all kinds of sense.

I still love Xander/ Cordy, though. And Wesley/ Cordy! Even Doyle/ Cordy. And every Cordy relationship, except for that one that didn't, in any way at all, happen with Angel.

Sosa Lola · 02-12-2009, 12:21 PM

Xander/Cordelia icons!!

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**ashleyt** · 02-12-2009, 01:56 PM

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You can't really compare a high school relationship with an adult one, I guess. Xander's relationship with Cordelia started on hormones and then developed into something more... the only complex was that Cordelia had to leave her friends to be with Xander...

Come to think of it... here's another similarity between Cordelia and Riley, both of them sacrificed their old lives (popularity - the Initiative) to be with Xander and Buffy... and sadly both Xander and Buffy didn't appreciate that.

I think a relationship is still a relationship regardless of when it occured. Life and experiences change/evolve a person but it doesn't make them better at relationships. Sometimes it makes them worse.

I find that both Xander/Anya and Xander/Cordy were very similar from Xander's POV. He cared for both women and screwed up at the end

As for the Cordy/Riley comparison... the situations were different in that Cordy still hung out with her clique when she was able too. She told them in BBB that she would hang out with a loser if she wanted and she was able to have both because she wasn't a sheep. The Initiative was corrupt and through Adam threatened the world. He had to leave it.

Also Riley had higher expectations and dillusions about Buffy than Cordy had for Xander. She never tried to change him.

This is not the thread for that though

ITA Rogue

Sosa Lola · 02-12-2009, 03:11 PM

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I think a relationship is still a relationship regardless of when it occured. Life and experiences change/evolve a person but it doesn't make them better at relationships. Sometimes it makes them worse.

I wasn't talking about how a person is in a relationship. I was mostly saying that high school relationships tend to have less depth than adult relationships, which is why I disagree with your next point,

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I find that both Xander/Anya and Xander/Cordy were very similar from Xander's POV. He cared for both women and screwed up at the end

I believe that Xander only liked Cordelia, but he fell in love with Anya. It shows in how he worked harder on getting Anya back than he did with Cordelia, and that losing Anya left him in a deep sense of depression and self-loathing, it turned him into his own father. The reason he didn't want to marry Anya, so he won't hurt her like his father had hurt him and his mother, and eventually, he did turn into his father by drinking too much, beating up Spike, and insulting Anya outside the Magic Box.

Which shows how Xanya, Xander's adult relationship, is far more complex than Xandelia, his high school relationship. With Cordelia, he used to be a boy confused about his emotions: is he in love with Buffy or Willow or Cordelia? With Anya, he's a secured man, with a job and an apartment, he's over Buffy and Willow, and devoting himself completely to Anya.

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As for the Cordy/Riley comparison... the situations were different in that Cordy still hung out with her clique when she was able too.

When did she do that? They'd turned their backs on her the second she chose Xander over them. After BB&B, she was only seen with the Scoobies.

The matter is still that Cordelia and Riley had sacrificed who they are for Xander and Buffy. If the Initiative was evil, Cordy's friends are more evil

, and in the end after being neglected by Buffy, Riley chose his old life, and after being cheated on by Xander, Cordelia returned to her old life.

I don't see us going off topic, seeing as we're still talking about Xander/Cordelia, just comparing them with other ships.

**ashleyt** · 02-12-2009, 04:14 PM

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I wasn't talking about how a person is in a relationship. I was mostly saying that high school relationships tend to have less depth than adult relationships, which is why I disagree with your next point

I think that as people we are capable of having depth in a relationship at the high school level as well as at the adult level

The only real difference is the responsibility that affects a lot of our choices at the adult level.

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I believe that Xander only liked Cordelia, but he fell in love with Anya. It shows in how he worked harder on getting Anya back than he did with Cordelia, and that losing Anya left him in a deep sense of depression and self-loathing, it turned him into his own father. The reason he didn't want to marry Anya, so he won't hurt her like his father had hurt him and his mother, and eventually, he did turn into his father by drinking too much, beating up Spike, and insulting Anya outside the Magic Box.

I think that Xander did care for Cordy and maybe it wasn't love but it was a lot like it. Xander worked harder with Anya because Anya allowed him too because she used him to define who she was now. Cordy didn't give him the chance or the allowance to win her back for a relationship after the betrayal. They ended as friends and that's more to do with the spin-off IMO than anything else.

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Which shows how Xanya, Xander's adult relationship, is far more complex than Xandelia, his high school relationship. With Cordelia, he used to be a boy confused about his emotions: is he in love with Buffy or Willow or Cordelia? With Anya, he's a secured man, with a job and an apartment, he's over Buffy and Willow, and devoting himself completely to Anya.

Devoting himself to Anya? Really? Because in the adult years of the show it's still about Buffy and Willow. The only moment that stands out in my mind (though I'm sure you'll have more examples) was when he chose Anya was in Selfless.

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When did she do that? They'd turned their backs on her the second she chose Xander over them. After BB&B, she was only seen with the Scoobies.

But Cordy's speech made it clear that she was still the Queen whilst dating Xander and that she was free to do what she pleased whether it was hanging with Xander or hanging with the clique. In The Wish, it didn't appear that she'd stopped hanging out with them, just that she hadn't been with them as much

We didn't see it but that didn't mean it didn't happen, especially considering that she was still a cheerleader and apart of that life until her parents lost their money.

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The matter is still that Cordelia and Riley had sacrificed who they are for Xander and Buffy. If the Initiative was evil, Cordy's friends are more evil

, and in the end after being neglected by Buffy, Riley chose his old life, and after being cheated on by Xander, Cordelia returned to her old life.

Cordy's friends were evil.

I don't feel that Riley and Cordy sacrificed who they were for other people. Cordy in OOSOOM admitted early enough that she had to hide parts of who she was for popularity. It was through Xander that she was able to let a lot of her nicer personality traits shine through. So technically it was an evolution waiting to happen in Cordy's case.

Riley on the other hand appeared to want Buffy to change who she was rather than change his own views on men/women roles in relationship. He wanted someone weaker than he at times and only occasionally accepted Buffy's inner and outer strength. I saw no real sacrifice and instead a lot of pleading on Riley's part

But then again I never really liked Riley so that could be it

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I don't see us going off topic, seeing as we're still talking about Xander/Cordelia, just comparing them with other ships.

I tend to bash Riley/Biley easily which is why I try to not discuss either often

**Burning Up A Sun** · 02-13-2009, 11:17 PM

Holy crap these are like essays in here.